Canon 5D Mk II

lostdoggy wrote in post #2515344
She'll be standing shooting pics of junior next to someone in the stand shooting w/ a canon and realize what a piece of crab the Nikon is at high ISO. Return the camera and gets herself a canon.

Heres a newsflash mate, Nikons D40/D50/D80 are actually excellent at high-ISO and the equal of the XT/XTi to all but the fussiest.

gdl357 wrote in post #2515856
For the money, the competition has the 5D beat.

Yes and no. Feature wise, the D200 is an awesome camera.
But image quality, the 5D wins hands down. It's a beautiful camera, and to be honest, image quality should be the FIRST and most IMPORTANT factor in deciding which camera is better.
But the D200 makes up for it by giving the consumer features that Canon won't even consider on the 5D.

Sprout Crumble wrote in post #2517265
Heres a newsflash mate, Nikons D40/D50/D80 are actually excellent at high-ISO and the equal of the XT/XTi to all but the fussiest.

That's the low-end. At the high end line-up, Canon has Nikon beat. I'm sure eventually Nikon will catch up though, but right now, the 5D and 1D series are much better at noise than the D2s and D200s.

gdl357 wrote in post #2516499
Enjoy your Canon, as I will be enjoying mine soon, but for a much better price.

If you don't have to say something intelligent or helpfull - please don't bother, and say nothing.

When I switched from MF to my first dSLR, overall image quality was my primary concern; picking the 5D was a no brainer. I had no prior lenses to use or consider. But I did enjoy my first Canon, a 1971 FTqL, so I figured I'd stay with familiar equipment .

But I can also understand why an amateur shooter might be drawn to the price, quality and feature set of the D200. However, that's just not good enough for what I wanted, and spending the additonal $484 was more than worth it to me. Each to his own....

AdamJL wrote in post #2517442
Yes and no. Feature wise, the D200 is an awesome camera.
But image quality, the 5D wins hands down. It's a beautiful camera, and to be honest, image quality should be the FIRST and most IMPORTANT factor in deciding which camera is better.
But the D200 makes up for it by giving the consumer features that Canon won't even consider on the 5D.


That's the low-end. At the high end line-up, Canon has Nikon beat. I'm sure eventually Nikon will catch up though, but right now, the 5D and 1D series are much better at noise than the D2s and D200s.

It just depends what kind of price you put on the practical image quality difference between the 5D and others (also aknowledging, Sapearl, that it's pretty hard to find the price you got -- most people are paying ~ $2200 with rebates). And also for many it's 30D versus 5D. So it can be a $1000 difference. For many people the image quality of the 30D isn't so god-awful that they'd pay $1000 to make it better. Just as for you, if you shot Hasselblad, the image quality of the H3D isn't so good that you'd pay an extra $20,000 for it.

Agreed Dr. - fortunately I was not in a hurry to get the second body. I'm not an "early adopter" and I was very happy to patiently watch the market for the right time and best price. Admittedly my deal was unusually good.

DrPablo wrote in post #2518317
It just depends what kind of price you put on the practical image quality difference between the 5D and others (also aknowledging, Sapearl, that it's pretty hard to find the price you got -- most people are paying ~ $2200 with rebates). ......

I don't think Canon will bring out a new 5D until early 2008 - at the moment I don't see any drivers to force them into a faster release.

pmburden wrote in post #2549140
I don't think Canon will bring out a new 5D until early 2008 - at the moment I don't see any drivers to force them into a faster release.

How about sales of the 5D dropping off?

The nearly continuous string of 5D rebates tells me something is afoot.... My guess is, the distributors know something is coming and are using the rebates to persuade get the fencesitters to make the plunge and get the 5D.

If Canon doesn't release some new bodies in March, I will be absolutely stunned. I think it would be a bold move on their part to release upgrades to the 1 and 5 series at the same time... these boards are evident enough that there IS a market audience who is eager to buy the next generation of these camera bodies.

Just my opinion of course...

Well, I don't really know if sales of the 5D are dropping off, but more and more people on this forum seem to be buying them .

terry44 wrote in post #2550099
How about sales of the 5D dropping off?

He probably was linking the rebate offerings to a decrease in sales... which is somewhat logical.

Lower sales (or a "leveling out" of sales) means you offer rebates, which in turn will then drive the sales back up.

The kicker is, the rebate extension that just happened. My guess is, someone somewhere had a sales number that they expected to meet, but didn't because some people (not the average consumer or prosumer) saw beyond the immediate rebate and were willing to gamble that the rebate was being offered because a new body was coming.

Waiting to see what will happen with the 1 series and 5 series is making me CRAZY !

Understandable ... ... I was just happy to get a super deal on my 5D with the double bucks. So far it does everything I need it to. I suppose weather proofing would be nice, but I don't do sports and have never owned a truly weatherproof camera in all my years of shooting, and have not suffered for it. I understand how others would benefit from it though.

cdesperado wrote in post #2550648
He probably was linking the rebate offerings to a decrease in sales... which is somewhat logical.......Waiting to see what will happen with the 1 series and 5 series is making me CRAZY !

cdesperado wrote in post #2550648
He probably was linking the rebate offerings to a decrease in sales... which is somewhat logical.

Lower sales (or a "leveling out" of sales) means you offer rebates, which in turn will then drive the sales back up.

The kicker is, the rebate extension that just happened. My guess is, someone somewhere had a sales number that they expected to meet, but didn't because some people (not the average consumer or prosumer) saw beyond the immediate rebate and were willing to gamble that the rebate was being offered because a new body was coming.

Waiting to see what will happen with the 1 series and 5 series is making me CRAZY !

I recently read an article about Christmas sales that said many retailers are anxious about January because they had a huge bulge in sales of gift cards this year, and most retailers don't report them as sales until they are used - which they expect to happen in January & February. That may have something to do with the extension.

Have Fun,

Hmmmm. Interesting. That does make sense.

I guess my question there would be, of those retailers, what percentage of them are people who carry prosumer camera gear. It seems like gift cards would be sold more regularly at places like Target, clothing stores, but electronics stores would also have a lot of them I bet. I guess I always figure gift cards are more in the $25-50 range rather than $250-500 range.

Still, I think the rebate pattern itself is indicating something... but that could be wishful thinking on my part.

Congrats on getting the double-bucks! I have to admit, there is a part of me that wishes I had picked up a 5D back in August, just to play with it and wait to see what would happen this March.

I had a retailer talk me outta buying a 5D at Christmas time, even with the double rebates telling me to wait until spring if I was thinking of going full frame.

I don't really have a clue what he knows, he would not give any details, and it was not a huge deal as I was not completely decided on what route to take with my next camera purchase, but I do plan on adding a new body this year for sure. I sure hope he really did have a clue what he was taking about. I made it clear I did not wish to go to a pro body too.