Canon 5D Mk II

red hot sheep wrote in post #2555731
I would love a 5d sensor and viewfinder in a D200 body with a Canon Mount.

I just got to hold a D200. Everything seemed ok but the dial that you would turn with your pointer finger was very awkwardly located. I think Canon got the ergonomics right on it's cameras. I would imagine that its the weather sealing you are thinking about.

Anyway, I know a guy that knows this girl who happens to be friends with this other girl who's boyfriend knows this old lady who also happens to know the president of Canon. The 5d is not being replaced, EVER. It will continue to show an upward sales trend until everyone in the world is buying one. The landfills will be overflowing with magnesium alloy. Fortunately the eventual end of the world, resulting from too many 5d's, will be VERY well documented.

You got the story wrong.... it was the first cousin, not the boyfriend ...

ijohnson wrote in post #2570953
.....Anyway, I know a guy that knows this girl who happens to be friends with this other girl who's boyfriend knows this old lady who also happens to know the president of Canon. The 5d is not being replaced, EVER. ......

The EOS 5D is here for one simple reason: Preventing people from investing in Nikon's D2X (Now D2Xs) in droves. Much has been said about that Nikon body threatening to take sales away from the Canon EOS System's 1D-series cameras initially since it cost slightly more than a 1D MK II/N and cheaper than a 1Ds MK II. Plus the benefits of both - high speed (crop factor) and high MP resolution despite the 1.5x crop factor.

Put a similar MP DSLR in the market but with a full-frame sensor, 3 fps and no weather-sealing nor reliability in extreme conditions and the planned exodus to the Nikon camp is halted in its track. And it did.

Whoever investing in the EOS 5D would automatically buys L lenses - I have yet to come across any 5D user that uses a consumer-graded EF lens or any of the 3rd-party brand lenses. Anyone else seen that?

I would tend to agree Geoffery, and this was completely true in my situation.

I only own two lenses, but they are both "L"s and do everything I require of them at this time. Since the 5D was my first dSLR when I migrated from MF film, I needed glass that was as close to the Zeiss lenses I'd been using. While the L "is no Jack Kennedy..." it is still a damn good investment and performs as advertised. No complaints.

Geoffery wrote in post #2576058
....Whoever investing in the EOS 5D would automatically buys L lenses - I have yet to come across any 5D user that uses a consumer-graded EF lens or any of the 3rd-party brand lenses. Anyone else seen that?

Maureen uses her Tamron 28-75 on her 5D.

See, just goes to show.... what do I know ? Opinions are just like elbows - everybody has at least two.

SuzyView wrote in post #2576837
Maureen uses her Tamron 28-75 on her 5D.

ijohnson wrote in post #2570953
Anyway, I know a guy that knows this girl who happens to be friends with this other girl who's boyfriend knows this old lady who also happens to know the president of Canon. The 5d is not being replaced, EVER. It will continue to show an upward sales trend until everyone in the world is buying one. The landfills will be overflowing with magnesium alloy. Fortunately the eventual end of the world, resulting from too many 5d's, will be VERY well documented.

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gdl357 wrote in post #2473145
I need to buy a NEW model FF DSLR like a 5D, and there is no way I will be spending 2500 on a 1.5yo camera. If Canon won't pull one out early this year, I will surely sell all my Canon setup to move on to the one that does.

Thx

And what the hell does age have to do with it exactly? People are still spending thousands of dollars on 1D and 1D Mark II bodies, both of which are significantly older than a 5D. The 5D will take great photos no matter how old or how much it cost. Your reasoning eludes me.

BTW, if Canon doesn't "pull one out" this year, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

EDIT: I'm sorry. I'm generally not this cruel. I responded without reading the entire thread.

Lord_Malone wrote in post #2580763
And what the hell does age have to do with it exactly? People are still spending thousands of dollars on 1D and 1D Mark II bodies, both of which are significantly older than a 5D. The 5D will take great photos no matter how old or how much it cost. Your reasoning eludes me.

Amen to that.

Lord_Malone wrote in post #2580763
And what the hell does age have to do with it exactly? People are still spending thousands of dollars on 1D and 1D Mark II bodies, both of which are significantly older than a 5D. The 5D will take great photos no matter how old or how much it cost. Your reasoning eludes me.

Well, I'm looking for another 1D body (already have two) but have been putting it off for several months now because I don't want to invest that kind of money and see a better camera come out just after.

cdesperado wrote in post #2550648
He probably was linking the rebate offerings to a decrease in sales... which is somewhat logical.

Lower sales (or a "leveling out" of sales) means you offer rebates, which in turn will then drive the sales back up.

The kicker is, the rebate extension that just happened. My guess is, someone somewhere had a sales number that they expected to meet, but didn't because some people (not the average consumer or prosumer) saw beyond the immediate rebate and were willing to gamble that the rebate was being offered because a new body was coming.

Waiting to see what will happen with the 1 series and 5 series is making me CRAZY !

I work for an consumer communications hardware company and the only time we ever do rebates is to BOOST sales. If something is selling really well, we don't offer rebates because they are so costly. In case it's not obvious, the fulfilliment of an $XXX dollar rebate costs a magnitude higher than the face value. In addition, the % of people who send them in is astoundingly low, but with high values like the "Double Rebate" on the 5D, the fulfillment rate goes up a lot.

This is purely anecdotal, so take it for what it's worth. I was at CES just a couple of weeks ago and asked one of the Product Managers if and when they were going to replace the 5D. He first gave me is cheeky, "If I tell you, I will have to kill you...and if I knew, I wouldn't tell you". After a little more poking, he told me that he didn't feel that Canon has any reason to replace the 5D because there is simply no competition with a FF sensor from Nikon, etc.

Personally, I think Canon is due to replace the 5D. I haven't used a 5D, but I am sure it takes fabulous pictures, but it's just a bit long in the tooth for something that is arguably in the consumer electronics segment. I'm not a pro photographer, but I love toys and am lucky enough to be able to afford a 5D. However, I am sure that like many other that fall into the "addressable market" of the 5D, we want the latest and greatest. Early adopters are probably the same group of people that make up a chunk of the 5D target consumers and early adopters hate dated equipment. In the consumer electronics world, the 5D is ancient. Sure, in the pro world, the 5D is still in the middle of its product life cycle, but when you have P&S camera with more features and 10MP sensors (whehter good or not), it's going to make people like me who are not great photographers, but like the newest equipment, sit and wait. I'm sure Canon execs understand how CE product life cycles work and as great as the 5D is, I'm sure the percentage of professionals who buy the 5D is lower than the number of hobbyists, early adopters, gadget freaks and people with lots of $$$ who just buy toys.

Oh...here's one more anecdote: While at the Canon booth at CES, there were a group of porn stars (the Adult Convention coincides with CES every year) that were also looking at the 5D, 1D, etc. I couldn't help but stare and eavesdrop. Of the 5 or 6 people in the entourage, 2 of them had 5Ds with them and all of them were asking about when the FF bodies were going to be replaced. They weren't asking about features or anything; they were just looking to buy new gear for the sake of buying new gear.

Sun you have answer the most perplex question, consumer in general likes new product whether for good or bad where as educated consumer look for the best product available for the money and the pro looks for the best product (reliability) available. Therefore as you can see Canon release the XTi first for the consumer and possibily release a more consumer driven body. Then they will release one for the educated consumer who is looking for the best buy for their money most likely a 30D replacement (since it wasn't much of a replacement from the 20D) since they been salivating over the XTi's new features like DiGIC III and anti-dust. This is of cause with notion that thus who haven't move on to the 5D. Then their are those 20/30D owners that are looking to move up to a FF sensor but hasitant because they are waiting to see how much better the 5D replacement will be before they take the dive. This is because they are educated consumers. Then there are those who hoping that the 1D will merge into one body and the 5D replacement will bridge the difference, FF sensor, weather seal 45 point focusing and 5fps but in the current body size and weight at the current 5D price.

As for the Adult Entertainment, it could possibly be that they can write it off as capital depreciation or insurance replacement. It is after all a very dangerous job.

lostdoggy wrote in post #2583394
Sun you have answer the most perplex question, consumer in general likes new product whether for good or bad where as educated consumer look for the best product available for the money and the pro looks for the best product (reliability) available.

When we buy a 1 series camera we take reliability as a given. Lower noise would be a massive help, as would focussing accuracy and speed in low light. Just today I lost money because my 1DII would not focus well enough in low light. More resolution would also be nice.

terry44 wrote in post #2585886
When we buy a 1 series camera we take reliability as a given. ...... Just today I lost money because my 1DII would not focus well enough in low light. More resolution would also be nice.

Unfortunately there are still those low light situations where autofocus won't do the job. That's why we still retain manual focus capability ; no camera system today is infallible.

But I appreciate how you feel - for many years I've manually focused EVERYTHING, and have only recently become extremely spoiled by Canon's autofocus system. When you get used to a nice feature, it's a disappointment when it doesn't work.

sapearl wrote in post #2585938
Unfortunately there are still those low light situations where autofocus won't do the job. That's why we still retain manual focus capability ; no camera system today is infallible.

But I appreciate how you feel - for many years I've manually focused EVERYTHING, and have only recently become extremely spoiled by Canon's autofocus system. When you get used to a nice feature, it's a disappointment when it doesn't work.

I couldn't really follow focus a fast moving cycle in low light as I'm using a series I 300mm f2.8 and the manual focussing on that thing is dreadful. But even if it had had full time manual focussing, I doubt if I could have followed the bike in that light (I was also using flash so couldn't just hose either).