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Color Management in DPP : I'm lost, help please

 
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Dec 31, 2006 05:17 |  #1

In DPP, I have set the working color space to SRGB.

For the color matching settings for display I obtain different results :
1. if I use SRGB, then the colors are flat, but looks the same in DPP, acdsee and windows viewer (colors are good in photoshop).
2. if I use a profile I have defined with my spyder2 then the colors are good. But the problem is that the colors look good and the same in DPP and photoshop but looks flat in acdsee and windows viewer (they look as option 1).

So I have 2 questions :

1. is there a way to obtain the same good colors in acdsee and windows viewer with option 2 ? (I use acdsee as diaporama software)

2. my usual printing lab uses SRGB profil. If I send them the pics obtained with option 2, will the colors look good or flat ?


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Dec 31, 2006 05:58 |  #2

What are you shooting them in - sRGB or AdobeRGB? (Not sure if DPP applies this to files by default??) - Just a thought...


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Dec 31, 2006 06:03 |  #3

kevin_c wrote in post #2468031 (external link)
What are you shooting them in - sRGB or AdobeRGB? (Not sure if DPP applies this to files by default??) - Just a thought...

I'm shooting in raw, so this is what is choosen in dpp as the working color space


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Dec 31, 2006 06:14 |  #4

yb98 wrote in post #2468042 (external link)
I'm shooting in raw, so this is what is choosen in dpp as the working color space

RAW is not a colour work space option in DPP - Under preferences : colour management in DPP you have the choice of 'sRGB', 'Adobe RGB', 'Apple RGB', 'ColourMatch RGB' and 'Wide Gamut RGB'.
This needs to match your camera setting because I believe DPP will use the camera setting as a default for viewing/conversions.


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Dec 31, 2006 06:18 as a reply to  @ kevin_c's post |  #5

sorry for my english but what I meant is that as i'm shooting in raw the color space is choosen during the conversion process (inside dpp it's the working space I think) so the color space parameter inside the camera doesn't matter. It does only matter when shooting in jpeg. At least that is what I have understand about color management.


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Dec 31, 2006 06:22 |  #6

Understood - I only ever shoot and work in sRGB, and actually specify it in any programs to (hopefully) eliminate any possible problems like this.
It does sound to me like an AdobeRGB colourspace being viewed in sRGB though...


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Dec 31, 2006 06:43 |  #7

Settings for DPP and Photoshop:
The display setting in DPP should be your display profile, not sRGB!
Real silly that DPP doesn't pick this up from the OS. Now every time I calibrate the monitor, I have to remember to go into DPP's prefs...
Set working color space for sRGB in both apps for an sRGB workflow. (duh)
edit: Don't know about ACDC, but AFAIK windows viewer is not color managed, so will allways look (a bit) different from a color managed application, even when viewing an sRGB file. (becausse your monitor might be close, but has not exactely an sRGB profile)


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Dec 31, 2006 06:52 |  #8

René Damkot wrote in post #2468125 (external link)
Settings for DPP and Photoshop:
The display setting in DPP should be your display profile, not sRGB!
Set working color space for sRGB in both apps for an sRGB workflow. (duh)

I agree with you, but in this case why the colors are good in photoshop and bad in acdsee and windows viewer ?


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Dec 31, 2006 07:03 |  #9

yb98 wrote in post #2468137 (external link)
I agree with you, but in this case why the colors are good in photoshop and bad in acdsee and windows viewer ?

Like I said:

René Damkot wrote in post #2468125 (external link)
AFAIK windows viewer is not color managed, so will allways look (a bit) different from a color managed application

edit: Visited the ACDSSee website. ACDSee 9 is *not* color managed. Only the 'pro' version is...

By the way: In your original post; In option one (DPP display set to sRGB) the file should look different in Photoshop opposed to DPP, ACDSee and Windows Viewer (which are all not color managed in this setting).


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Dec 31, 2006 07:12 as a reply to  @ René Damkot's post |  #10

Okay, I understand.

So the windows viewer and acdsee don't manage color profiles. That's a good explanation. I was expecting this for acdsee but not for the windows viewer...

So if the printer of my lab printing is correctly calibrated, I should obtain the same good colors.

Last question : do you know a good free image viewer which manage color profiles ?
Thanks for your help.


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Dec 31, 2006 07:21 |  #11

René Damkot wrote in post #2468163 (external link)
Like I said:

By the way: In your original post; In option one (DPP display set to sRGB) the file should look different in Photoshop opposed to DPP, ACDSee and Windows Viewer (which are all not color managed in this setting).

I checked again and yes you're right ! Everything is logical now !
I edited my first message to modify this point.


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Dec 31, 2006 07:44 |  #12

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