Color differences in DPP between raw image and camera JPEG image

Zoombrowser (Canon's software) is the only one I can find that will produce images matching the in-camera jpeg by default. DPP (even though it is Canon's software too) does NOT.

On that note, I was wondering if anyone here has found what parameters to adjust in DPP to best match? I tend to shoot with Parameter 1, which boosts sharpness, saturation, and contrast... but I can't pin that down in DPP to match the in camera jpg.

davidcrebelxt wrote in post #2466963
The point should be made, too, that the lcd display is reflecting the in camera settings. As an extreme example... you could shoot with Black and White Parameter, and the LCD image will be black and white, but in your RAW converter it will show up as color.

BTW: Zoombrowser (Canon's software) is the only one I can find that will produce images matching the in-camera jpeg by default. DPP (even though it is Canon's software too) does NOT.

On that note, I was wondering if anyone here has found what parameters to adjust in DPP to best match? I tend to shoot with Parameter 1, which boosts sharpness, saturation, and contrast... but I can't pin that down in DPP to match the in camera jpg.

The image coming out of DPP by default may not be 100% exactly like the JPEG image coming out of camera but it's so darn close that it'll be hard to tell them apart unless you have the two images sitting side by side to each other. Even the images coming out of IB or ZB are slightly off although I do admit it is closer to the in-camera JPEG than the one from DPP is.

It's enough to make the RAW images look washed out to me. Zoombrowser's was about spot on... (yes I did have images open side by side.)

This has been really bugging me for some time, so I just popped off a question to Canon Customer Service about it, to see if they can give me settings in DPP to simulate parameter 1.


I'd like to be able to avoid shooting RAW + Jpeg and go to shooting only RAW, but if I can't easily batch out a bunch of files to be converted how I want, I guess I'm stuck. Most of my in-camera jpegs are fine, but there's those few where I would like to do more in RAW... I just don't want to have to use zoombrowser + DPP for my Raw post-production, I just want to use DPP, is that too much to ask of Canon?

davidcrebelxt wrote in post #2467264
It's enough to make the RAW images look washed out to me. Zoombrowser's was about spot on... (yes I did have images open side by side.)

This has been really bugging me for some time, so I just popped off a question to Canon Customer Service about it, to see if they can give me settings in DPP to simulate parameter 1.


I'd like to be able to avoid shooting RAW + Jpeg and go to shooting only RAW, but if I can't easily batch out a bunch of files to be converted how I want, I guess I'm stuck. Most of my in-camera jpegs are fine, but there's those few where I would like to do more in RAW... I just don't want to have to use zoombrowser + DPP for my Raw post-production, I just want to use DPP, is that too much to ask of Canon?

You obviously do not have your preferences set up properly in DPP. If you screen shoot your DPP preferences (the color management tab), we might be able figure it out.

Here's a side comparison of the JPEG images from the camera, DPP and Image Browser (not necessarily in that order) (raw converted as shot). I ran the same test on my PC and the results are exactly the same there.


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On your shots, the one on the far right has the most "pop"

I think I have my CM set right, here a screenshot: (I also do the comparison between RAW and JPEG right in DPP, so I thought it should be same.:

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davidcrebelxt wrote in post #2468588
On your shots, the one on the far right has the most "pop"

I think I have my CM set right, here a screenshot: (I also do the comparison between RAW and JPEG right in DPP, so I thought it should be same.:

The one on the far right was done with ImageBrowser. The one from DPP is on the left and the original JPEG from the camera is in the middle.

As far as your CM settings for DPP, it looks OK so I'm not sure why your raw images look so washed out to you compared to the original JPEG file from the camera. Have you tried using a different monitor profile or creating a new one to see if the monitor profile itself might be causing the problem?

BTW, do you shoot sRGB or Adobe RGB?

This is a screen shot what mine looks like side-by-side in DPP. Other than a very slight hint of reddish cast on the image from the raw file (right), the colors don't seem that far off. At least not enough to make the raw image looked washed out.


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davidcrebelxt wrote in post #2468588
On your shots, the one on the far right has the most "pop"

I think I have my CM set right, here a screenshot: (I also do the comparison between RAW and JPEG right in DPP, so I thought it should be same.:

Do not set a printing profile... It will show you a 'soft proof' if you do.

I guess washed out is the wrong term... just not as saturated, or not as much POP.

You are right, though, its not a HUGE difference.

The image I've been doing it with lately, I've been looking at my son wearing a green shirt, and there is an area on his sleeve that has almost no detail in RAW, but in jpeg it has recovered the detail somehow:

First image is Raw, with Default DPP settings, second is jpeg from camera. 100% crops

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René Damkot wrote in post #2469435
Do not set a printing profile... It will show you a 'soft proof' if you do.

I tried changing those settings, then closed and reopened DPP and images still appear the same... Jpeg shows more detail in the highlights than default RAW settings, and I can't seem to recover those details in the RAW image.

René Damkot wrote in post #2469435
Do not set a printing profile... It will show you a 'soft proof' if you do.

René, are you sure about that? I don't usually have printer profile set but I just tried changing it to a few of the printer profiles I have and none of them made any difference to the images displayed on the screen. However, if I do the same thing with the monitor profile, then the colors do change but it affects both raw and jpeg images alike. What stumps me about David's problem is that his colors are off only when viewing raw images. The only way I can see this happening is if the JPEG was shot in one color space and the raw was processed in another and one of the color profiles (sRGB or Adobe RGB) got hosed up. Since it looks like DPP uses it's own version of the sRGB profile, it might be that profile that could be messed up.

davidcrebelxt wrote in post #2469452
I guess washed out is the wrong term... just not as saturated, or not as much POP.

You are right, though, its not a HUGE difference.

The image I've been doing it with lately, I've been looking at my son wearing a green shirt, and there is an area on his sleeve that has almost no detail in RAW, but in jpeg it has recovered the detail somehow:

First image is Raw, with Default DPP settings, second is jpeg from camera. 100% crops

Is the image from the raw file as-is, without any processing applied to it (Adjustments > Revert to shot setting will get it back to the default state)? It looks like the levels of the raw image is brighter than that of the JPEG file. And that's a big difference, too.

PacAce wrote in post #2469577
Is the image from the raw file as-is, without any processing applied to it (Adjustments > Revert to shot setting will get it back to the default state)? It looks like the levels of the raw image is brighter than that of the JPEG file. And that's a big difference, too.

Yeah, that's whats really throwing me off. Before I did those screen grabs I made sure I reverted to as shot settings. Those screen grabs were straight out of DPP. That was the RAW editing preview - I never saved to jpeg yet, so both should be displaying in my sRGB workspace.

Thanks for all your help Leo... as we said before its not a HUGE difference. Maybe I'm being too picky?

davidcrebelxt wrote in post #2469654
Thanks for all your help Leo... as we said before its not a HUGE difference. Maybe I'm being too picky?

But in your case, that is a big difference. I'm really curious to know why your DPP is behaving that way. It's definitely not the norm based on what I've seen of DPP, though. Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling DPP? BTW, I'm assuming you have the latest version of DPP installed, right?

I'll try the uninstall... yes it is the latest version though