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Jan 10, 2007 11:55 |  #1

This seems to be some kind of wading bird, as its legs were failry long. Although he's squatted down a bit, they do seem suited for wading.

Thanks Again for the help.

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Jan 10, 2007 12:17 |  #2

I think this bird is a 1st spring Purple Gallinule, nice shot! :)




  
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Jan 10, 2007 14:55 |  #3

New bird to me also! Well done.
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Jan 10, 2007 21:04 as a reply to  @ pttenn's post |  #4

Thanks again for the help and comments. What does the term "1st Spring" designate? Is it an indication of an early season variety?

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Jan 10, 2007 22:18 |  #5

I'll confirm the Purple Galinule. We had one on our pond in Southern Illinois some years ago. Kind of a rarity this far north.


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Jan 10, 2007 22:54 as a reply to  @ poloman's post |  #6

Sorry, I think that it is a Purple Swamphen. The pale head and red bill/shield above bill are typical of the Purple Swamphen. It was only introduced to Florida 10 years ago.




  
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Jan 10, 2007 22:56 |  #7

arg245 wrote in post #2521659 (external link)
Thanks again for the help and comments. What does the term "1st Spring" designate? Is it an indication of an early season variety?

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Sorry for not explaining this better...1st Spring (Jan-April) refers to the next stage of plummage after Juvenile(Jul-Winter), this comes from The Sibley Guide to Birds by the way.




  
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Jan 11, 2007 07:04 |  #8

Hi - just to add Purple Swamphen is the same species as Purple Gallinule just a different name. Note that there are quite a few Gallinule species around the world so your's is actually American Purple Gallinule.




  
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Jan 11, 2007 08:18 as a reply to  @ davewalters's post |  #9

It is confusing, but they are not the same, in North America at least.

The Purple Swamphen (Porphyrio porphyrio) is unfortunately also known as the Purple Gallinule in other parts of the world. It is not native to North America.

The native North American species of Purple Gallinule is Porphyrio martinica, and could be called the American Purple Gallinule.

Sorry to get all scientific about this.

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Jan 11, 2007 11:08 |  #10

Still confused - The ABA doesn't appear to have a naming standard for the "Purple Swamphen" so surely if it becomes a self supporting species in Florida the old world name would taken ie Purple Gallinule and the ABA standard of American Purple Gallinule would be used for the other one?
Not being funny In any way just interested :-)




  
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Jan 11, 2007 12:53 |  #11

Once upon a time there was a biggish bird living in Europe (and other places) that was known by the English speakers as the purple gallinule, meanwhile in the US (and other places?) there was a similar looking but much smaller bird called (by the US English speakers) the purple gallinule. Confusing eh?

To avoid this confusion of English names (for which there is no standard - buzzards in US = vultures to UK, buzzards in UK = hawks in US) a committee was set up to standardise the English names internationally.

The American purple gallinule is now known as the purple gallinule, and the (European) purple gallinule is now know as the purple swamphen.

Unfortunately many people (and book authors and publishers) are reluctant to accept the new naming standard, and so the confusion continues.

How many Americans refer to their robin as the American robin, and how many brits refer to their robin as European robin? Both names are now the recommended international English names.


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Jan 11, 2007 13:41 as a reply to  @ Phreddie's post |  #12

My guess is a Purple Gallinule (Don't know the scientific name.)
I think it is a relative of the American Coot. But not sure on that.
They do look similar. :confused:
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Jan 11, 2007 18:10 |  #13

That's a nicely captured Purple Gallinule Andy.


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Jan 11, 2007 19:15 |  #14

Thanks everyone.

Reyno, I've been enjoying your recent posts. Absolutely great work. Keep them coming.


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