Will I still lose half a Stop when using a Kinko 1.5TC on a 24-105 f/4?
sagebrush Member 158 posts Joined Dec 2001 More info | Jan 11, 2007 15:39 | #1 Will I still lose half a Stop when using a Kinko 1.5TC on a 24-105 f/4?
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casaaviocar Senior Member 887 posts Joined Jun 2006 More info | Jan 11, 2007 15:56 | #2 Yes, and it's actually a full stop of light. Rule books are paper they will not cushion a sudden meeting of stone and metal -ekg-
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DrPablo Goldmember 1,568 posts Likes: 3 Joined Jan 2006 Location: North Carolina More info | Jan 11, 2007 16:00 | #3 Light intensity is lost exponentially as the distance increases from source to target. If you increase the physical length of your lens 1.4-fold, you will lose one stop (which is one doubling of light, or 1.4 squared). Look up the inverse square law for more detail. Canon 5D Mark IV, 24-105L II, 17 TS-E f/4L, MPE 65, Sigma 50 f/1.4, Sigma 85 f/1.4, 100 f/2.8L, 135 f/2L, 70-200 f/4L, 400 L
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crn3371 Cream of the Crop 7,198 posts Likes: 2 Joined Mar 2005 Location: SoCal, USA More info | Jan 11, 2007 16:04 | #4 You'll loose one full stop. Plus, I'll second the other poster, why bother with a tcon on a short lens.
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DrPablo Goldmember 1,568 posts Likes: 3 Joined Jan 2006 Location: North Carolina More info | Jan 11, 2007 16:31 | #5 The one time it's been nice on a short lens is with the TS-E 24 f/3.5L. Canon 5D Mark IV, 24-105L II, 17 TS-E f/4L, MPE 65, Sigma 50 f/1.4, Sigma 85 f/1.4, 100 f/2.8L, 135 f/2L, 70-200 f/4L, 400 L
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PacAce Cream of the Crop 26,900 posts Likes: 40 Joined Feb 2003 Location: Keystone State, USA More info | Jan 11, 2007 17:51 | #6 DrPablo wrote in post #2525278 Light intensity is lost exponentially as the distance increases from source to target. If you increase the physical length of your lens 1.4-fold, you will lose one stop (which is one doubling of light, or 1.4 squared). Look up the inverse square law for more detail. I'm don't think the inverse square law has anything to do with the 1 stop of light loss here although you are right about the loss being due to the increase in the focal length (not the physical length) of the lens. Remember, the inverse square law has to do with the intensity of light falling on a subject (ore reflected from one) at a given distance from the light source (or the observer of the subject). Using a TC, in itself, does not change the distance of the subject, the light source or the observer. ...Leo
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DrPablo Goldmember 1,568 posts Likes: 3 Joined Jan 2006 Location: North Carolina More info | Jan 11, 2007 19:19 | #7 The f/stop change with increased focal length makes sense now that I think about it; I realize that the max aperture doesn't change. I have a convertible large format lens that is 300-f/5.6 convertible to 500-f/12 by removing the front lens cell, so it's probably the same FL/aperture diameter equation. Canon 5D Mark IV, 24-105L II, 17 TS-E f/4L, MPE 65, Sigma 50 f/1.4, Sigma 85 f/1.4, 100 f/2.8L, 135 f/2L, 70-200 f/4L, 400 L
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PacAce Cream of the Crop 26,900 posts Likes: 40 Joined Feb 2003 Location: Keystone State, USA More info | Jan 12, 2007 08:12 | #8 DrPablo wrote in post #2526151 The f/stop change with increased focal length makes sense now that I think about it; I realize that the max aperture doesn't change. I have a convertible large format lens that is 300-f/5.6 convertible to 500-f/12 by removing the front lens cell, so it's probably the same FL/aperture diameter equation. I was presuming (and maybe there is some truth in this) that the TC causes a similar phenomenon to a bellows factor. You'll lose light with macro extension tubes, for instance, and they don't alter focal length (or even contain any lens elements). With a bellow or extension tube, you are moving the lens away from the "film" plane so the image circle projected by the lens gets bigger. The light intensity of that project image circle is still the same brightness as it was before, only bigger. However, since the size of the frame did not change, the frame is now looking at a smaller area of the image circle. And a smaller area translates into less light. The image on the frame is magnified but, at the same time, the intensity of the light of that image is decreased. ...Leo
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