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Jan 16, 2007 17:48 |  #1

ok i have a 1dmk11n about a month old, i shot tonight at 1600iso and noticed banding in one of the jpegs but not its corresponding(sp) raw file. my question is to the others experiencing banding, is it only in your jpegs?




  
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Jan 16, 2007 17:49 |  #2

was the jpeg processed in CS auto settings?


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Jan 16, 2007 17:55 as a reply to  @ Dante King's post |  #3

i have auto settings off in cs, and tried it in microsoft picture viewer which i figure is a basic prog that wont manipulate photo and still saw the banding. banding wasnt in other similarily framed photos taken within seconds


edit: double checked its in some raws too and more jpegs, mainly in dark sky, not visible in some pics till exposure raised




  
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Jan 16, 2007 20:33 |  #4

Post some sample pics.


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Jan 16, 2007 22:02 as a reply to  @ Lord_Malone's post |  #5

IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'image/gif' | Byte size: ZERO | PHOTOBUCKET ERROR IMAGE


IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'image/gif' | Byte size: ZERO | PHOTOBUCKET ERROR IMAGE


if you push the exposure 4-5 stops youll see banding more clearly.



  
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Jan 16, 2007 22:09 |  #6

It's there, but very difficult to see if you're not looking for it. Doesn't seem serious. And it can easily be fixed in PP. You said this only happened in this one shot right?


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Jan 16, 2007 22:16 as a reply to  @ Lord_Malone's post |  #7

in a bunch, those two shots were more prominant, pretty much anything shot at iso 1600 with lots of sky. 800 iso was fine.




  
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Jan 16, 2007 22:35 |  #8

I dont have a 2N (yet) but have heard of this problem. Not only in the 1D models but also with other cameras. (5D 30D 20D) and as of last night I saw it in my XT in RAW but only when exposure was extremely high, the difference was my ISO was at 100. This isnt the first time this has happened. Im thinking its with low light and overexposed shots. At least that is what has happened to me, but I could be wrong.


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Jan 17, 2007 00:32 |  #9

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What I'm saying is that I didn't take much notice of banding in my some of my images until someone mentioned banding. Then I started looking more closely at them and what I found was this. This is a 100% crop of an image at 1000ISO, 1/80 using a 24-70L. I think it was overexposed by one stop to up the shutter speed.

IMAGE NOT FOUND
Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE


This is the original image, just the jpeg extracted...

IMAGE NOT FOUND
Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE


So just to check, I went back with my 10D with 24-70L @ 1600ISO attached and retook the image. I underexposed, overexposed with the camera and also in CS2, as well as increasing brightness etc.

IMAGE NOT FOUND
Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE


Noisy, yes...banding...no. The N is now back at Canon to check. I really think paying $$$ for a camera and having to remedy images in CS2 isn't on. In my job, QC and calibrations are vital and I wouldn't run my equipment without performing these daily. When I put my order in for the N, there was a six week back order and I wonder if Canon put through a rush batch to play catch up. There are too many people on this forum who have noiseless, bandingless images for me to ignore this problem on my camera. Plus this isn't the only image it appears on, just the easiest to see.
I really hope Canon find and fix the problem as I love this camera and I'm sure that the banding issue is very isolated.

Also see this thread...https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=260160



  
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Jan 17, 2007 01:20 as a reply to  @ tag141's post |  #10

tag please if you remember let me know the outcome. i can live with it for now, but if they can fix it i would have to take it in. im not so sure that all 'ns dont have this problem when exposed improperly in high isos.




  
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Jan 17, 2007 01:26 as a reply to  @ nycgrip's post |  #11

I've noticed the same on mine from ISO 800 upwards. Now I didn't notice it before the last firmware upgrade, but this could be (and probably is) coincidence!




  
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Jan 17, 2007 01:59 |  #12

Actually FatPete, these images were before I updated to the last firmware. I didn't think to try it after updating. I suspect however, the issue will remain.

nycgrip, I'll keep you posted on my outcome. Cameras shouldn't have this problem. I tried all different combinations with my 10D and apparently no banding. If this problem occurs when you overexpose by one stop then what is the point in bracketing an exposure? If you wanted to do some HDR then you couldn't, could you?




  
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Jan 17, 2007 03:52 as a reply to  @ tag141's post |  #13

had an idea, so i checked the operating temperatures of the mk11n and they are 32-104f. and it was below that when pictures taken. possible factor?




  
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Jan 17, 2007 05:03 |  #14

The 1Dinosaur is known for banding at ISO above 1600. I've seen this, but it's really not that big of a deal for me. I don't expect it to be as prominent in the later incarnations of the 1D though. But if it does exists then so be it. I can live with the occaisional banding.


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Jan 17, 2007 06:58 |  #15

I'll post up a shot tonight at 1600 when I get home - may also get in touch with Canon to see what they say, although it will really cripple my 'photo-per-day' project if I have to send it away for a few weeks :-(




  
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