1Ds MARKII vs. 5D (tests)

blackshadow wrote in post #2600244
Tareq, thanks for taking the time to put this comparison up but I think the results have to be taken with a grain of salt - it would require a lot more real world testing or a very thorough systematic evaluation to determine which camera is "best".

I have no doubt that both cameras are exceptional and that a 5D would be the best camera for the majority of people. However if you are doing high quality studio or commercial photography with great lighting I think the 1DsM2 will start to come into its own, especially if you need to make extremely large prints of the images.

I know friends who are working in studios and for commercial jobs, told me that 5D didn't beat 1Ds mk2 in thier works.

Anyway, i am now happy with all that collection of my cameras, i don't need these tests at all to decide what i want or need, but some discuss and not showing photos as tests or so, then i did that maybe it will prove or show something in that discussion.

I went to photograph an event in a club and i was using my 580EX on 1Dsmk2, as shocked and wondering all or most of my shots were dark and crap, even i photograph my friend there in his office after checking that crap photos, i shocked of the results coming out of 1Ds, and i did RAW+JPEG, so my friend disappointed but he told me that if i can fix photos from RAW as i told him then it will be fine.
After i fixed the photos and sent them to him, he posted them to his website and sent one to the newspaper as that event i was the one who photographed, so that 1Dsmk2 photos after fixing was something else, so i trust my camera whatever the results or situations are.

Thank you all for coming to my thread, i came back from that picnic or say trip, got so great photos but i will tell you all that they are bad so then no one will comment on them as normal and bad.

Although unscientific, thanks for doing the tests.
The results mirror what I would expect from both cameras at least to the extent that I could differintiate between the two.
The 1DsMkII appeared to have better resolution but at ISO 3200 I would expect it to have more noise then the 5D. They are both using the same noise reduction algorithms (modified for the individual cameras of course) so in that case the 5D's larger detectors should have less noise then the 1DsMkII.

Given I usually shoot at ISO 100, I will take my 1DsMkII over a 5D almost any day.

Longwatcher wrote in post #2604313
Although unscientific, thanks for doing the tests.
The results mirror what I would expect from both cameras at least to the extent that I could differintiate between the two.
The 1DsMkII appeared to have better resolution but at ISO 3200 I would expect it to have more noise then the 5D. They are both using the same noise reduction algorithms (modified for the individual cameras of course) so in that case the 5D's larger detectors should have less noise then the 1DsMkII.

Given I usually shoot at ISO 100, I will take my 1DsMkII over a 5D almost any day.

and i will never prove by my tests or any test what you all know and see that 5D is better in high ISO above 800 or 1600, but you want my honest? i will never prefer 5D over 1Dsmk2 in many shots that i don't use high ISO above 800 (ofcourse not in sports as my 1Dmk2N is the only one to be used ever).

Thank you.

Tareq wrote in post #2599879
and why not 1Dsmk2 including? don't hesitate this camera, still in its class top.

another gift for you from 1Ds mk2, i am enjoying to use it anyway.

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I really like this one!

Perhaps the biggest comparison made that got me to buy a 5D instead of a 1Ds II is the price!

Tom W wrote in post #2604410
I really like this one!

Perhaps the biggest comparison made that got me to buy a 5D instead of a 1Ds II is the price!

I am sure the money issue prevent alot to buy expensive gears even there are better or so good cheap alternatives.
I know many looking for 70-200 f2.8L IS, but you can see that not all can get it and buy version f2.8 (non IS) or f4 (IS or non IS) due to price.
Even 1D vs. 1Dmk2 or 1Dmk2N.

Thank you, BTW.

You can also go here and download their RAW shots from various cameras.
Looking at the same shot taken with the 1DsMii and the 5D, I think the 5D's RAW shot looks better than the 1DsMII. After processing, things look about the same for me. They are shot at ISO 100, so I can't really say.
you can download the RAW files and see for yourselves.
http://www.outbackphot​o.com …_mkII/canon_1ds​_mkII.html
http://www.outbackphot​o.com …n_5D/Canon_5D_r​eview.html

Tee Why wrote in post #2604477
You can also go here and download their RAW shots from various cameras.
Looking at the same shot taken with the 1DsMii and the 5D, I think the 5D's RAW shot looks better than the 1DsMII. After processing, things look about the same for me. They are shot at ISO 100, so I can't really say.
you can download the RAW files and see for yourselves.
http://www.outbackphot​o.com …_mkII/canon_1ds​_mkII.html
http://www.outbackphot​o.com …n_5D/Canon_5D_r​eview.html

Thank you very much for that.
in my tests above i can see no big noticible different in result number one, even i prefer the shot taken by 1Dsmk2, as i was sure to take all side-by-side shots from both cameras using all the same settings or equipment in same exposure, just i didn't use tripod, so i have question for all members: if you have a money to buy either 5D or 1Dsmark and not thinking of lenses, which one you will choose and why? Remember, not saving to buy lenses as the choice is between one of both cameras and the money is only for one body of both. (say $7000)

good job on doing the comparison. I wonder how it would be if you use one of your L lens?

I just read this. The comparison. http://www.cameralabs.​com/reviews/Canon5D/pa​ge4.shtml

W3C wrote in post #2606434
good job on doing the comparison. I wonder how it would be if you use one of your L lens?

I didn't do test by L lens, but i went out yesterday and i used my both cameras with L lenses only (16-35, 24-105).
I didn't see the results yet, but i am so happy i can use them and i don't think the results will be bad in IQ.

W3C wrote in post #2606789
I just read this. The comparison. http://www.cameralabs.​com/reviews/Canon5D/pa​ge4.shtml

Some things I wished for would be for them to have shot in RAW and also to include some higher ISO shots.

Tareq wrote in post #2604735
Thank you very much for that.
in my tests above i can see no big noticible different in result number one, even i prefer the shot taken by 1Dsmk2, as i was sure to take all side-by-side shots from both cameras using all the same settings or equipment in same exposure, just i didn't use tripod, so i have question for all members: if you have a money to buy either 5D or 1Dsmark and not thinking of lenses, which one you will choose and why? Remember, not saving to buy lenses as the choice is between one of both cameras and the money is only for one body of both. (say $7000)

For me? I"d take the 5D with a grip. Why?
Image quality wise, it's very similar for me. You may have a some more resolving power with the 1DsMii, but unless you really make large prints, I don't think you'll see it.

The 5D appears to have a bit less noise (atleast at ISO 3200 from shots posted here), it's lighter, has easier buttons to usef(1D series use redundnacy, so you have to press two buttons at once to change parameters), takes less memory space, and won't slow down the old computer as much with 16MB sized RAW files.

If weather sealing, durability, or being able to print at the largest were my top priorities, I'd get a 1DsMII.

If you consider cost as an issue, the 5D would win hands down. However, seeing as I don't print larger than 8x12 (A3 prints), a 30D wins hands down for me as I don't think a 5D is worth more than twice the cost of a 30D.

Great shots Tareq!

I probably fall into the category of users that simply does not want a 1-series. I agree they are the last word in Canon's digital cameras. I also can speak from personal experience that they are just not the cameras that I really learned to love... so I am letting go my 1D classic. The 5D is the Chosen One - for me. Good to see that it stacks up well against the 1DsM2, which is also an incredible camera in its own right.

Canon happens to know that there is a segment of users who want FF and who don't necessarily want a 1-series. This is explained very well in their 5D white paper. So happens I am part of that segment.

I guessed wrong, as well. I could have looked at the EXIF but deliberately forced myself to guess first, and note down my choices, before looking at the EXIF. Personally, while the 5D has slightly less noise in the ISO3200 shots, they are very close.. almost too close to call. I could probably tell, but not consistently.

In fact i bought 1Dsmk2 because i will print large prints even rarely and here many people can buy large print only if it is very high quality, so i can't trust 5D to print up to 24x36 and can't beat that 1Dsmk2 in quality in that size or larger then i can't have clients or i can't sell some of my works if so, and 5D i got it because you all said it is better in high ISO so i bought it for this feature only (maybe because it is lighter and cheaper to bring it for travel).

Yeah, Lord, you tell him. We don't want excuses about tripods, death disease, no, no, no.

The judge I work for used to tell defendants when their trial was coming up that no excuse except death would excuse them from court, and even then we might go ahead with the trial anyway.

Nice work, Tareq. What you've proved here is that both cameras are very similar in their ability to take exellent, very usable shots, even at 3200 iso.

Don't worry, Lord, if'n you pull the trigger, I won't tell. For a price, that is.

Keep up the good work, Tareq.

me