Have you switched to Mac? (now just fighting over which is better)

I placed my order with Apple today, so by this time next week I should be getting first hand experience so hopefully I'll see what Mac lovers rave about. My PC is getting old, so more than anything I just need more processing speed and I'm sure I'll be happy.

On a side note, I don't really understand why PC devotees like to bash Macs for their appearance. I don't care if it's 'cute' or not really, but I don't see what's so great about a big black box of a PC.

Hey for what it's worth:

It is my understanding that Macs have been the platform of choice for creative professionals because the OS has had very extensive support for issues concerning color management, an issue that Microsoft has aimed to address with the release of Windows Vista (if you Google Microsoft and photography, I'm sure you will turn up links that appear to address this concern as well). I received this information at a MacLive Seminar in NY. There are many subjective differences as well, but from the speakers that were at the seminar who have used the platform for many years, that was the consensus.

aLFaDaRK wrote in post #2633532
You are just lucky, as are most Mac users. The viruses made for Macs aren't very fast spreading due to the lack of users, and they're very rare in themselves. But yes, there are viruses for Mac OS X, and combined with older Mac OS's, there are several thousand. I forget where I found that statistic, but it was a website with stats for all different operating systems, windows, mac, linux, etc. It's not that virus

I think you are making claims in this thread that you not only can back up, they are just pure false. If you are going to make such bold statements, you should be prepared to give at least a sniff of evidence. When called on it, maybe you should do some Google searches, or bow out.

http://www.macobserver​.com/editorial/2003/08​/29.1.shtml

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I took a quick look around and could not find the thousands of viruses for MACs, but there have been a few like the LeapA that affected ichat and a couple of others. As to the article above, it is over 3 and a half years old, not very current in terms of virus data affecting any system. Several people have pointed out that the only viruses out there have been proof of concept types that haven't hurt anyone, but as Apple becomes more and more popular, viruses will eventually start popping up. We all know that windows is as holey as "a swiss cheese warehouse," but with apple continuing to spout about how secure they are, and with people shunning anti-virus because of it, Mac users are eventually going to get burned. There may never be as many viruses for Macs as there are for windows (which is and shall continue to be the leader in that industry), but there will be viruses.

joegolf68 wrote in post #2634813
I think you are making claims in this thread that you not only can back up, they are just pure false. If you are going to make such bold statements, you should be prepared to give at least a sniff of evidence. When called on it, maybe you should do some Google searches, or bow out.

http://www.macobserver​.com/editorial/2003/08​/29.1.shtml

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I've done google searches in the past on this, and they backed me up, but it took a lot of time to find in the first place, nevermind trying to find the damn thing again.

If you want to believe that all Mac's have some supernatural protection against all viruses, go ahead, I won't stop you. But I know for a fact that there are viruses for Macs, and there ARE viruses for Mac OS X, contrary to the Mac-biased, 4-year old link that you provided. A lot of things change in 4 years, especially in the realm of technology.

aLFaDaRK wrote in post #2635390
But I know for a fact that there are viruses for Macs, and there ARE viruses for Mac OS X, contrary to the Mac-biased, 4-year old link that you provided. A lot of things change in 4 years, especially in the realm of technology.

Hehe, at least he provided a link.

You're claiming your opinion is fact with absolutely nothing to back it up.

No link is better than a wrong link. I could give you a link to http://www.homestarrun​ner.com if you want? It's amusing, but provides nothing relevant to this topic.

I'm not claiming my opinion is fact actually, I'm saying that it's a fact that there are Mac viruses - that IS a fact. Yes, it may be very true that you're more likely to win the lottery at the same time as being struck by lightning than getting one of the few viruses there are, but they're still there.

So when something I say is claimed to be "just pure false", then backed up by an irrelevant link, I take it as more of an attack than an opinion. Especially after I said, I'm not saying Macs are bad at all - I love them, and I have to as a website and graphic designer, I'll even be getting one in the near future. But I'm saying that there ARE Mac viruses.

aLFaDaRK wrote in post #2635390
If you want to believe that all Mac's have some supernatural protection against all viruses, go ahead, I won't stop you. But I know for a fact that there are viruses for Macs, and there ARE viruses for Mac OS X, contrary to the Mac-biased, 4-year old link that you provided. A lot of things change in 4 years, especially in the realm of technology.

Nice try, diversion using hyperbole and a false premise. I never said any such thing. I said your claims can not be supported, nothing more, nothing less, and I stand by that statement. You may try to distract from that premise as much as you wish, but that is the only point I was making. If there have been thousands and thousands of viruses for the Macs, as you stated, bring on the info, if not, please don't use hyperbole and distractions to deflect from your contentions. It doesn't work. Absurd, truly absurd.

I never said that you actually said Macs have supernatural protection, it's just how most Mac users think. Most don't buy anti-virus protection because they think Macs are magical.

So the useless outdated link that you posted wasn't a distraction? Sure seemed like it to me, because it didn't back up your point either. Basically, if you won't believe me and I don't have proof, and I don't believe you, and you don't have proof. We're back to opinions, and I think it should stay that way.

aLFaDaRK wrote in post #2635390
If you want to believe that all Mac's have some supernatural protection against all viruses, go ahead, I won't stop you.

"I never said that you actually said Macs have supernatural protection"



Misquote?"

I think we'll need to stop here. I don't know how many total viruses the Mac has ever had and have now. I questioned your "guess" as misinformed, but gave you the opportunity to correct my doubts, which you have not. You actually may be correct, I just don't think so. Such a bold statement, you would have to suspect, would be questioned and that you might be asked for your source.

Have a good one. This is a dead issue unless you can back up your contention with some kind of reasonable statistic from some kind of reliable source. If not, this is becoming a house of mirrors. For you to continue to play word games is obvious and not enlightening, except to your personal style. Thanks.

I said if you want to believe they have supernatural protection, I never said that you actually had said that. So no, not a misquote, but I agree that we need to stop here. The website that I had, and the link that you posted are contradictory, which means that probably nobody knows the real answer. You may be correct, or I may be, but either way it's not important.

aLfA do you own a Mac or are you one of these people who believe whatever is posted on the internet?

Theres a reason everybody is disagreeing with you, and funny enough were the ones who own the machienes so im sure we know a bit better.

I don't want this post to sound insulting im just trying to be blunt so you get the point, i still want your babies okay?

Once again, I don't dislike Macs, I'll be getting one this year.

No, I don't believe everything on the internet.

The people owning the machines don't necissarily know better. There are users of PC's who probably think they have no viruses, but have about 20 running in the background attempting to steal their credit card numbers, yet they will say that have no viruses because they're "careful". That is not someone who knows their machine better. Also, when someone asks where the "Any Key" is when told to press any key to continue. They do not know their system better.

Some might say that the ones disagreeing are the ones with Macs because they know them, others might say they're disagreeing because they dislike PC's.

It took me a while to see the light but finally I do.

I was an avid binary addict, I would do about 30,000 lines of code a day, were talking free databaseing none of that poofy packet sniffing.
Long nights I spent rooting old discarded boxes for forgotten nuggets of easily digestible hex to satify my crunchie cravings, pinging my pals, tracerouting for treasure, hunting that elusive creature the perfectly compiled penguin. I had hit the ultimate low basemem, I was constantly high on/low off, even my netcat had enough and left me.

Recently I noticed my bytes turning into nibbles, my long words degrading to mere words. The cause for this had my mind in loops initially, then it dawned on me, time... My silicon was growing old, my northbridge was collapsing and my southern not far behind.

I'm now faced with the daunting task of visiting my dealer for a new fix, do I choose the cheaper beige stuff or the expensive silvery white stuff?

Lets look at my choices.
Would I prefer a guru named Bill, or a guru named steve?
Do I prefer big or little indians?
Would the world be safer, more peaceful under the protection of god unix?
Or would old father dos be more fun?
Did I want a safe but slightly restricted home?
Or would I prefer living wild amongst the microbes of the world wide web, surviving off my own wits.

Truth to tell for those still here, all I really want is to crunch lots of 0's and 1's which would I choose?

if you understood that lot and want to save some cash for a lens, go buy a PC.
If you think I am crazy and speaking in tongues go get a mac.
If you understood everything I said and still think I'm crazy your probably the most correct from all three choices, But I don't care because i'm far too busy learning how to take pictures.

10 mac = machine
20 pc = machine
30 if mac > pc goto 10.
40 if pc > mac goto 10
50 if mac <> pc goto top of the class.

I understood everything minus the indians