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Does this device "really" work ...?

 
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Feb 03, 2007 07:25 |  #1

Hi Everyone!!

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I ordered it and have mixed feelings relative to using my 580EX with the catch-light card raised and flash pointed straight up. It seems I get better results (better exposure) that way than with the light sphere attached.

Can you more experienced users tell me (and others) if this device actually works, when would be the best time to use it, how you use it, etc..
Any tips, personal experience, etc.. will be humbly appreciated.

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Feb 03, 2007 07:36 |  #2

It does what it was designed to do. It doesn't perform miracles. There are some pretty heated threads about this particular device already. A little searching goes a long way. As far as how/when to use it, Gary Fong's website tells you that.


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Feb 03, 2007 08:23 |  #3

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It does what it was designed to do. It doesn't perform miracles. There are some pretty heated threads about this particular device already. A little searching goes a long way. As far as how/when to use it, Gary Fong's website tells you that.

Thanks for the reply my friend. I already have it and it "seems" I get better results using bounced flash with my catchlight card extended on my Canon 580EX as opposed to using the lightsphere.

Here are a few examples... using bounced light and the catch-light card extended at a halloweeen party ... don;t remember how to impose the images here.. :-(

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I often wonder if had I used the lightsphere if I would have illuminated more of the shadowed areas. This post is mainly intended to see of anyone has some secrets for using this device which I may have missed on Gary's site or on the CD which comes with the product. :(


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Feb 03, 2007 08:25 |  #4

It's a rather controversial product. Run some tests on your own to see if you think it makes a difference. Set up a tripod and the same exact scene with the same exact camera settings, lens, focal length, etc and try bounced, bounced w/catchlight card, and lightsphere. It'll become more apparent.

And as I said before...search the forum and you'll find lots of opinions on it.


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Feb 03, 2007 08:27 as a reply to  @ cdifoto's post |  #5

OK, thanks again for your valued feedback my friend.

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Feb 03, 2007 08:29 |  #6

No problem. I take a neutral stance these days on this thing. :) I had the first incarnation of it and sold it off not too long after.


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Feb 03, 2007 08:30 |  #7

All of the "tupperware" diffusers require nearby reflective surfaces - typically white walls and/or ceiling - to function effectively. If you don't have those surfaces to reflect the light back toward the subject, the net result is a lot of lost light from the flash source. The reason is simple - the diffuser spreads the light in all directions. Any light that never reaches the subject is lost.


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Feb 03, 2007 08:32 |  #8

I understand Doug ... just wondering if in situations with very high ceilings (black or dark ones at that) if having such a device (with the dome on top attached) would prove beneficial.

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Feb 03, 2007 09:03 |  #9

doesnt his video even suggest that the light produced from the device gives a better result than controled studio lights?


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Feb 03, 2007 09:05 |  #10

DOrtiz wrote in post #2647406 (external link)
I understand Doug ... just wondering if in situations with very high ceilings (black or dark ones at that) if having such a device (with the dome on top attached) would prove beneficial.

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No. It would just waste light in that circumstance, and cause the flash batteries to run down sooner!


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Feb 03, 2007 09:23 |  #11

Dave,
The link below contains a video that explains the theories behind various flash bouncing/diffusing devices. It might be worth watching.
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The idea behind most of the various attachments sold for hotshoe flash units is to direct some of the light toward your subject while letting the rest bounce off the ceiling. In my mind, the most valuable and versatile of these attachments are the ones that allow you to control the ratio of direct light vs. bounced light, and do it with some degree of efficiency.

Work to understand the basic theories behind lighting, and you will be better able to choose the right equipment and techniques for a given situation.

I'm not a big fan of the Gary Fong products. I don't think they're worthless, but I do believe that a photographer who understands the physics and aesthetics of lighting can use cheaper, more compact and more versatile devices and create effects just as good.


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Feb 03, 2007 09:32 |  #12

It is a pricy piece of crap.



  
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Feb 03, 2007 10:46 |  #13

I have the Lumiquest Pro-Max System that I am really happy with. But I can't keep my lunch in it on the way to a shoot! ;)


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Feb 03, 2007 12:15 |  #14

LSII is a tool, you dont use pliers to tighten socket head cap screws. The LS will do everything in the videos on the Fong site under the same conditions in the video. The thing isnt ment to do everything. Of the example pictures you posted from your party I think the pic of the man in the straw cowboy hat would have benifited from the LS over the catch light card, filling in the shadow from his hat better making a more even exposure. The larger the light source the softer it will be, weather it a clowd filled sky vs direct sun or the LSII vs the catch light card on your flash. After saying all that I have really come to like the ABetterBounceCard. Ive been using it more than anything lately.


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Feb 03, 2007 14:11 |  #15

It works in certain instances. It doesn't work in others. I still use my original LSII and get good results with it. But as has been mentioned, you will be better off overall if you learn how to use light, period. Light can be bounced, reflected, diffused, and direct and all provide different qualities and results.


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