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Sigma 24-70 to 24-105L?

 
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Feb 11, 2007 00:28 |  #1

So I recently got tempted into switching my Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 EX DG Macro to the 24-105L.

The 24-70 is really the only lens that I'm dissatisfied with. It didn't live up to the expectations that I'd read about. The 24-105 is tempting because it covers the 70-105mm gap that I'm missing and has IS. I don't use f/2.8 often and f/4 will do me fine.

The 24-70 is about 1 1/2 yrs old, purchased for $480US (sharp copy, has FF issues though, hasn't been rechipped. If you're in the US and buy it, you could use the 4yr warranty to fix it) How much do you think I could get for it? I would be buying a 2nd hand 24-105L of course (Can't afford new =P)

Am I crazy? Will I be satisfied? And more importantly - Anyone want to sell me a 24-105L for about $1000AU? :D

Also - If some people could post 100% crops of the 24-105L at wide open apertures I'd appreciate it.


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Feb 11, 2007 22:40 |  #2

Surely someone can give me their opinion? Give me pro's and cons!


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Feb 12, 2007 01:23 |  #3

Sorry, no, I'm not selling you my 24/105L, but you can have my left arm instead (I'm left-handed).

Putting these two lenses in the same sentence might be considered a sacrilege by some.;)

One of the strong points (not just my opinion, but that of reviewers) is that this lens performs as well open as it does stopped down. It has some mild pincushion and barrel distortion at the ends of the range, as many zooms do. This is a big zoom range; 105/24 = 4.375.

Very few people don't like this lens, and sometimes the ones that don't like it, don't actually have it. Honestly, I read a "bad-mouth" comment somewhere, and then further down in the guy's post, he actually stated that he didn't have one. It was NOT on this forum.

My dealer said that some initial copies had flare problems - these were recalled by Canon and the problem rectified. Subsequently, the flare has been well contolled - this has in fact been verified by one of the review sites (can't recall which).


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Feb 12, 2007 06:09 |  #4

Glenn NK wrote in post #2694202 (external link)
Sorry, no, I'm not selling you my 24/105L, but you can have my left arm instead (I'm left-handed).

Putting these two lenses in the same sentence might be considered a sacrilege by some.;)

One of the strong points (not just my opinion, but that of reviewers) is that this lens performs as well open as it does stopped down. It has some mild pincushion and barrel distortion at the ends of the range, as many zooms do. This is a big zoom range; 105/24 = 4.375.

Very few people don't like this lens, and sometimes the ones that don't like it, don't actually have it. Honestly, I read a "bad-mouth" comment somewhere, and then further down in the guy's post, he actually stated that he didn't have one. It was NOT on this forum.

My dealer said that some initial copies had flare problems - these were recalled by Canon and the problem rectified. Subsequently, the flare has been well contolled - this has in fact been verified by one of the review sites (can't recall which).

Mmm, thanks for that ;)

Yeah, I'm not too fussed about distortions. I don't any photography that requires no distortion, so all is well. Now - I just need to save some money, find a used 24-105L in my price range, but it and sell the 24-70. :D


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Feb 12, 2007 06:13 |  #5

Hmm.... I'll be interested to see how much you end up wanting for the 24-70 because I'm in the market ;)


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Feb 12, 2007 06:57 |  #6

Be advised,your 20D's best AF mode only comes into play with f/2.8 and faster lenses. If you can I would advise tring the 24-70L. Superior to third party for sure.



  
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Feb 12, 2007 07:57 |  #7

I also want to sell my Sigma 24-70 to get 24-105L (new)


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Feb 12, 2007 08:15 |  #8

I have the 24-105 f4L IS and love it. Super sharp all the way throughout the range.

I've owned the Sigma 24-70 and sold it for the Tamron 28-75 because the sigma was too soft at f2.8. the Tamron is a fantastic lens but I find myself using the 24-105 much more - in fact can't remember the last time the 28-75 was on my camera!!

If speed is important, the f2.8 can be very useful but in many situations I find IS more useful to me. It's down to what subjects you want to shoot.

Lok also at the 24-70L and decide f2.8 and wider v IS and longer

Both outstanding lenses.


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Feb 12, 2007 08:36 as a reply to  @ EOS_JD's post |  #9

I read a lot of bad things here about the Sigma 24-70 mine is a cracker i'm very happy with it even wide open, it is v very contrasty and has great colour my only gripe is the focus speed sigma need to put HSM on this lens, I have used the 24-105 and I love it but not cause it is sharper then MY 24-70 but cause of the silent and lightning quick focus, if canon make the 24-105 a constant 2.8 in the future I would without question buy it until then I'll be keeping my Sigma.
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Feb 12, 2007 10:13 |  #10

Georgey wrote in post #2695250 (external link)
I read a lot of bad things here about the Sigma 24-70 mine is a cracker i'm very happy with it even wide open, it is v very contrasty and has great colour

Yes, it really comes down to copy variation and/or QC. But this goes for most lenses. The best copy I had of the EX DG was as good optically as any standard zoom I've used. The other 2 copies were "so-so to good".




  
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Feb 13, 2007 03:25 |  #11

jr_senator wrote in post #2694924 (external link)
Be advised,your 20D's best AF mode only comes into play with f/2.8 and faster lenses. If you can I would advise tring the 24-70L. Superior to third party for sure.

Thanks for all the comments. I'm aware the centre point on the 20D becomes a full cross-type sensor, I'm not too worried about that to be honest.

Jim G - How much would you be prepared to pay for it? ;)


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Feb 13, 2007 06:52 |  #12

EOS_JD wrote in post #2695171 (external link)
I have the 24-105 f4L IS and love it. Super sharp all the way throughout the range.

I've owned the Sigma 24-70 and sold it for the Tamron 28-75 because the sigma was too soft at f2.8. the Tamron is a fantastic lens but I find myself using the 24-105 much more - in fact can't remember the last time the 28-75 was on my camera!!

If speed is important, the f2.8 can be very useful but in many situations I find IS more useful to me. It's down to what subjects you want to shoot.

Lok also at the 24-70L and decide f2.8 and wider v IS and longer

Both outstanding lenses.

Pretty much sums up my copy and experience when I had the Tamron.

The 24-105 f/4L is an outstanding lens.




  
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Feb 13, 2007 07:00 as a reply to  @ Tsmith's post |  #13

Good luck getting a used one. I can't imagine why anyone would sell a 24-105.:)


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Feb 13, 2007 09:07 |  #14

Choderboy wrote in post #2701162 (external link)
Good luck getting a used one. I can't imagine why anyone would sell a 24-105.:)

It can happen. I bought a brilliant, 2-month-old, absolutely mint copy of the 24-105 locally for $800, and the seller delivered it to my office that same day (and encouraged me to test it out before paying). His reason for selling - wanted the 24-70L. The way I see it, people frequently switch from the 24-70L to 24-105L and vice versa, so there should be a pretty steady supply of both on the used market.

Btw - I love the 24-105L. Best money I have spent on a lens to date, and I consider several of my past and current lenses to be absolute bargains (Tamron 17-50/2.8, 50/1.4, 70-200/4L, etc).


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Feb 13, 2007 09:22 |  #15

Ok, here's a resized image -

IMAGE: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/136/353853042_aaad9c657c_o.jpg
below is a 100% crop shot at 105mm at f/4 - notice that the eye isn't in focus, as the depth of field is coming towards the camera, so the eyelashes, and eyebrows are in focus - this is the higher eye
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Even at f/4 this lens is tack sharp. Now I know, sharpness, or perceived sharpness isn't everything, but it does prevent you doing some things, if the lens is too soft.

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