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Feb 17, 2007 11:07 |  #1

I just tried a quick comparison of various 300mm options I currently have. (I'm trying to decide which to keep and which to sell). This is not a particularly rigorous test - the light levels were varying slightly, for example. A tripod was not used, but the camera was steadied against a solid object and I'm happy that camera shake was not an issue. These are all 100% crops from near the centre of the image and, in each case, the best of several attempts. All images are from a 400D on 'Standard' setting with no sharpening applied. If they don't look quite as sharp as you might expect, bear in mind that:
- the target will really show up any deficiencies
- this was a dull overcast afternoon; I've found the images always seem much sharper in sunlight.

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Canon 70-200 f/4 IS with Sigma 1.4x teleconverter (at 280mm f/5.6, i.e. wide open):

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Sigma 100-300 f/4 EX (at 300mm f/4)

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Sigma 100-300 f/4 EX (at 300mm f/5.6)

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Canon 300mm f/4 (non-IS) (at 300mm f/4)

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I also tried the Kenko Pro teleconverter in place of the Sigma one, but results were nearly indistinguishable. I tried stopping down the Canon + TC shots to f/8, but couldn't see any improvement - I may need to try that again at some point. My next test will be the 300mm lenses with 1.4x TC vs the Canon 70-200 with 2x. I expect the 70-200 to lose, but you never know :)

My view is that the Canon with TC is sharper than the Sigma at f/4, but the Sigma is better at f/5.6 (i.e. the same aperture as the Canon+TC). All of them are beaten by the 300mm prime (I didn't bother stopping that down to f/5.6 as it was already so good at f/4). It's hard to tell from these pics, as the light was varying a little, but I'd say from what I've seen so far that the results for contrast pretty much follow the same order as the sharpness results. The Sigma definitely loses a little sharpness/contrast at f/4, but it's still pretty good.

To get some perspective, all of these shots can look pretty damn sharp with a little sharpness apllied in post processing. Every combination tested is good enough that I'll have no qualms about using them wide open.

In terms of focussing, my thoughts at the moment are that they are all pretty good, with the prime having an edge for consistency/accuracy and speed. The Sigma can hunt a little in poor light, but I don't think the 70-200 with TC is any better (although it may be better without the TC).

Of course, this doesn't make my choices any easier :( The best option for quality would be to keep the 2 Canon lenses and sell the Sigma. I really do, however, prefer using a zoom - on a recent trip to the zoo I just used the Sigma (most of the pics here are with the Sigma: Marwell zoo (external link)). With the Canon pairing I'd have been carrying more weight in total and constantly swapping lenses. I don't like the weight of the Sigma, and the IS on the 70-200 would be useful, but I hate swapping lenses too often. From previous testing the Canon 300 takes a teleconverter better than the Sigma. Decisions, decisions...


Also, here are a couple of 200mm shots, although I didn't spend any time on this:

Canon 70-200 f/4 IS (at 200mm f/4)

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Sigma 100-300 f/4 EX (at 200mm f/4)

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The Canon here is a little better than the Sigma, but I'm sure they would be equal by f/5.6. Maybe I'll do some more testing if I get the time.

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Feb 17, 2007 12:07 |  #2

An interesting comparison, the Canon 70-200 f4 is a remarkable lens, and give a good account of it'self.


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Feb 17, 2007 12:26 |  #3

YOU have shown this test well :)
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Feb 17, 2007 12:28 |  #4

Canon 300 f4 looks the best resolution on my monitor, no suprise there.


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Feb 17, 2007 12:38 |  #5

racketman wrote in post #2724890 (external link)
Canon 300 f4 looks the best resolution on my monitor, no suprise there.

Same also no suprise, but the 70-200mm, you can't beat that price!
edit: Nevermind, I didn't see it was the IS version.


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Feb 17, 2007 12:49 |  #6

Interesting ... my own experience of owning these lenses (tho' non IS 70-200mm) is that I prefered the 100-300mm overall and that most importantly you will only get its full potential via a mono or tripod. It must be solid. It also carries a 1.4x very well.


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Feb 17, 2007 13:28 as a reply to  @ condyk's post |  #7

This was interesting to me as I'm deciding between the 100-300 and 300 F4L. Will probably end up with the 100-300, but upgrade to a 300L with a 70-200 on a 2nd body when I have a steadier income.




  
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Feb 17, 2007 13:48 |  #8

Kicking myself, never knew the Sigma 100-300 F4 lens existed till today!!




  
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Feb 17, 2007 13:57 |  #9

condyk wrote in post #2725013 (external link)
Interesting ... my own experience of owning these lenses (tho' non IS 70-200mm) is that I prefered the 100-300mm overall and that most importantly you will only get its full potential via a mono or tripod. It must be solid. It also carries a 1.4x very well.

I think the IS version of the 70-200/4 is a little sharper than the non-IS version I used to own (although I can't make a direct comparison as I no longer own it). With these shots, the 100-300 was supported similarly to using a monopod - I think the fact that the f/5.6 shot (with half the shutter speed) is substantially sharper means that camera shake was not an issue. I intend to do some more tests at 100mm and 200mm at some point.

You're right that the Sigma handles the TC well, but I've found that the 300 prime does so just a tiny bit better. It would be a tough decision to get rid of that prime, as it's pretty special.

Something I didn't mention is that, IMHO, the Sigma has the best build of the lot. The 'L's are very good, but the Sigma feels like it's been carved out of solid metal. Sorry to the L'coholics :wink:


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Feb 17, 2007 15:55 |  #10

I'd go for the Canon 300 f4. In fact I did! Brickwork needs pointing tho' mate ;)




  
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Feb 17, 2007 16:15 |  #11

bildeb0rg wrote in post #2725726 (external link)
I'd go for the Canon 300 f4. In fact I did! Brickwork needs pointing tho' mate ;)

It's not my house :) I hope I didn't make anyone nervous by repeatedly pointing big lenses at their house!


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Feb 17, 2007 17:39 |  #12

gcogger wrote in post #2725818 (external link)
It's not my house :) I hope I didn't make anyone nervous by repeatedly pointing big lenses at their house!

I don't know if you rad that post a couple of weeks ago, but you're lucky no one called the cops for pointing a gun at their house! :D


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Feb 17, 2007 20:08 |  #13

I don't know . Your shots with the Sigma 100-300 just don't look right. The shot at 300
f/4 should be a lot sharper,contrast looks strange too. The one with the t/c shoud be also. Take a look at lightrules test of the Sigma.


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Feb 18, 2007 08:59 |  #14

I think that what you're seeing is partly the result of the very dull conditions. Here are crops from an earlier test, in direct sunlight.

Sigma 100-300 (at 300mm f/4)

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I think you'll agree that this looks much better, but all that has changed is the lighting. It's not actually any sharper than the earlier image I posted. I'm starting to realise just how many things affect the perception of sharpness.

Just for comparison, this is how the 300 prime looks in good lighting

Canon 300mm f/4 L (at f/4)

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Pretty good, I think you'll agree :)

Another possibility is that I took these at ISO800, and there may be some very slight softening from the in-camera noise reduction. It's the same for all the images, however, so it doesn't affect the comparison.

On the lightrules tests, I really don't think he's shown any 100-300 images that are sharper than mine. As I said in my original post, the subject I've used really highlights any deficiencies. The targets lightrules uses (largely dark text on light backgrounds) give a greater perception of sharpness. On some of his images, take a look at the edges of the sign, or things like the heads of the mounting bolts - you can see some softness there that is less obvious on the text. For reference, his tests can be found at:
http://www.pbase.com/l​ightrules/15lbsd (external link)
http://www.pbase.com/l​ightrules/5telezooms (external link)

As an example, here's another crop from the Sigma (again at 300mm f/4) with a much more flattering target (still dull conditions, however, and slightly under-exposed).

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(I also took some shots of that building with the 70-200 + TC and, as with the other tests, they were just a little sharper than the Sigma wide open).

I'm not knocking the lightrules tests at all, by the way - they're much more methodical than my quick test, and the targets are perfectly capable of showing the differences between the lenses. What I would say is that either the IS version of the 300mm f/4 L is much softer wide open than the non-IS, or he didn't have a good copy.

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Feb 18, 2007 10:04 |  #15

All I know is that I bought the 100-300 f4 last year.I have used it more than any lens I have. And I know what it can do. I just don't think you are getting the best out of this lens.


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