Photo solutions response on using Eclipse fluid with EOS400D....

svpworld wrote in post #2926835
most of all because its so expensive (those swabs are around £2 a throw and I usually end up usin . . .g 3 of them each time!).

I use Pec Pads:
https://www.micro-tools.com …etail.aspx?Item​Code=PSI-1

Instead of Swabs:
https://www.micro-tools.com …etail.aspx?Item​Code=PSI-5

The pads can either be wrapped over a ready-made swab, or over a small rubber spatula (also available from most places that sell sensor cleaning supplies).

That way you toss the pec pad, at about $0.06 per pad, instead of a swab that costs $3

I get my supplies from Micro-Tools.

https://www.micro-tools.com/store/home.a​spx

Interesting. Hmm...

E2 solution on order, at least if that screws my 400D up then photosol should fit the bill! (though I'm very nervous now about wet cleaning and will use my blower/brush wherever possible.

I would be interested if any other 400D or 5D owners have wet cleaned their sensors for a period of time and several occasions, and if they have experienced any degradation in their sensors.

The new Eclipse fluid E2 should be used on all tin oxide sensors, this includes

the Canon 5D, 400D, 1DS mk3, some Nikons D70,D70s,D80, a Sony Alpha 100, and a Leica M8

The list can be found here. ECL or E2

lurkalot wrote in post #2966260
The new Eclipse fluid E2 should be used on all tin oxide sensors, this includes

the Canon 5D, 400D, 1DS mk3, some Nikons D70,D70s,D80, a Sony Alpha 100, and a Leica M8

The list can be found here. ECL or E2

I don't see the 5D on that list. Can anyone point me to a read that shows this claim?

OutsideShooter wrote in post #3081957
I don't see the 5D on that list. Can anyone point me to a read that shows this claim?

The 5D was originally on the list as an E2 camera, but has now been taken completely off the list while Photographic Solutions tries to figure out what the story is with that particular camera model. Photographic Solutions President David Stone writes, "it appears there are people who have had problems which either fluid on 5D's, and there are those who use either fluid with total success. While it is too early for me to offer why this may be so, the fact is, it is equally confusing and annoying to everyone involved."

Their current recommendations: "For the time being, if you have been using Eclipse on your 5D with good results, continue to use it. If you are using E2 on your 5D with good results, stick with E2. If in doubt, use the E2.… In the meantime, please know we will fully stand behind our Guarantee - you WILL be covered for any damages caused by any of our products if you follow the procedure outlined."

Doug Pardee wrote in post #3082412
The 5D was originally on the list as an E2 camera, but has now been taken completely off the list while Photographic Solutions tries to figure out what the story is with that particular camera model. Photographic Solutions President David Stone writes, "it appears there are people who have had problems which either fluid on 5D's, and there are those who use either fluid with total success. While it is too early for me to offer why this may be so, the fact is, it is equally confusing and annoying to everyone involved."

Their current recommendations: "For the time being, if you have been using Eclipse on your 5D with good results, continue to use it. If you are using E2 on your 5D with good results, stick with E2. If in doubt, use the E2.… In the meantime, please know we will fully stand behind our Guarantee - you WILL be covered for any damages caused by any of our products if you follow the procedure outlined."

hmm for the time being I'll go for the visible ducst stuff I think... I was on the verge of gettong E2 til I read this

Anyone had problems with VD solutions?

Doug Pardee wrote in post #3082412

Their current recommendations: "For the time being, if you have been using Eclipse on your 5D with good results, continue to use it. If you are using E2 on your 5D with good results, stick with E2. If in doubt, use the E2.… In the meantime, please know we will fully stand behind our Guarantee - you WILL be covered for any damages caused by any of our products if you follow the procedure outlined."

I ordered the E2 when they listed the 5D on that page....well hopefully I won't have any issues with it (I only plan on cleaning the sensor when I really need to). I've read that the E2 should be pretty safe, as it's highly refined isopropyl (read, much higher grade then medical iso that you buy at a pharmacy). I would be very wary of using regular isopropyl on my sensor....but then again, I'm wary of even touching the sensor!!!

davesrose wrote in post #3084917
I've read that the E2 should be pretty safe, as it's highly refined isopropyl

No, it's not. According to the MSDS, Eclipse E2 is ethanol denatured with methanol and isopropanol. In a denatured alcohol, the primary ingredient is ethanol; the other ingredients are just there to make it unsafe to drink.

Doug Pardee wrote in post #3085006
No, it's not. According to the MSDS, Eclipse E2 is ethanol denatured with methanol and isopropanol. In a denatured alcohol, the primary ingredient is ethanol; the other ingredients are just there to make it unsafe to drink.

opps...guess I should have said ethanol instead of isopropyl: had read on some photo forum about how isopropyl used in photo cleaners is a more refined version then medical grade...so as to evaporate without leaving any residue.

My understanding was that it was methenol in the original Ecclipse that was the agent that was questioned with tin oxid sensors. I thought that was the ingredient they got rid of in the E2...maybe they just reduced the amount (so they'd be using more isopropanol instead of methanol)

I was at Photographic Solutions' web site today, and came across their recommendation list for the Eclipse and Eclipse 2 sensor cleaning fluids. Interestingly, they are now recommending the original Eclipse for the 5D.

http://www.photosol.co​m/cameras_bymfg.html

EORI wrote in post #3219087
I was at Photographic Solutions' web site today, and came across their recommendation list for the Eclipse and Eclipse 2 sensor cleaning fluids. Interestingly, they are now recommending the original Eclipse for the 5D.

http://www.photosol.co​m/cameras_bymfg.html

I wonder if it's a mistake?

Hmmm...

Yeah,

I too am confused.......my bottle of E2 arrived today as i have been using ordinary Eclipse on my 400D........

So i was having a wee goosey gander at the E2 or Eclipse list mentioned above yeah......

Canon EOS 400D - Type # 2 - Eclipse
Canon 400D Rebel XTi - Type # 2 - E2

Am i missing something.........do they actually definitively know what to use?

I thought the 400 D and XTi were identical?

Why are they recommending different fluids?

WORRIED

Andy

jinjur wrote in post #3246181
Yeah,

I too am confused.......my bottle of E2 arrived today as i have been using ordinary Eclipse on my 400D........

So i was having a wee goosey gander at the E2 or Eclipse list mentioned above yeah......

Canon EOS 400D - Type # 2 - Eclipse
Canon 400D Rebel XTi - Type # 2 - E2

Am i missing something.........do they actually definitively know what to use?

I thought the 400 D and XTi were identical?

Why are they recommending different fluids?

WORRIED

Andy

I wrote to photosolutions about this, I don't feel very confident by their reply - I thought it was a technical issue not one of 'well try it and see what works and what doesn't' which is what they seem to have said here; i.e. that people found they didnt have problems wit the 5D using the original fluid, except a few... who had a problem with the 5D anyway... er...pass that by me again... and what kind of camera problem makes you think there's a problem with the cleaning product? The mind boggles... this is certainly not the definitive answer I was hoping for

- my first email with their reponse at top - and their reply underneath that, to my question on guarantee::

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"We tested and went on the forums, and found out that many people were using Eclipse with great success. We had thought there were problems with the Ecilpse and the 5D. We later found out that there were a few cameras that the problem was with the camera not the cleaning product.
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Joel
Photographic Solutions

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From: Simon King <sk2006@ntlworld.com>
Hi

why have you changed the designation for Eclipse for the 5D from Eclipse 2 back to Eclipse original ?

http://www.photosol.co​m/cameras_bymfg.html

thanks

Simon"

so I asked about their guarantee:
"The guaranteed is good for the Eclipse and the 5D.

--
Joel
"

Thanks for the reply.......this is seriously ropey..........

I dont like it one bit......i might just invest in a dust aid kit till someone knows



Andy