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Mar 08, 2007 23:54 |  #1

I've never done any portrait studio shoots and I'd like to experiment a little. I'd like to put together a kit that would be portable. I've got a 580EX (access to a second 580), a 430EX, and a cheap but sturdy ebay background stand with a 10x15 gray muslin. I'm thinking I'd like to get some umbrellas with stands or even a softbox and a reflector or two.

I figure my setup would be 580 mounted, second 580 at 45 degrees, and the 430 as background lighting. Should I get a softbox or umbrellas? Also, would a reflector be ok to use a hairlight or should that be done using one of the flashes? I don't want to go the alien bees route quite yet. I can afford $100-$150 in new equipment for my little experiment here.

dumb question disclaimer: I've read the stickies, but seem to get lost in all the info. I've also done a lot of searches and read a lot of the threads, but again, I get lost in all of the info.




  
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Mar 10, 2007 02:32 |  #2

Sorry to see that nobody has givin you an answer untill now.
I'm in the same position. Go for strobes or for speedlights?

The best thing you can do is to ask one or two questions in one post.
And to search for yourself on the internet.

Maybee you can give this site a look. I found many good information there.

http://www.photo.net …tch-msg?msg_id=00BjHh&tag (external link)=

Probabily I will go for strobes myself but I have a little more saved to spend
then you have right now.

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Mar 10, 2007 09:08 |  #3

I'm in similar situation the OP. I can't really offer too much advice as im a beginner and my equipment is on order.

As I was a newbie to portrait work i didn't want to splash out too much money for now so in addition to my 430EX i bought the following:

Vivitar 285 Flashgun
Lightstand
Umbrella attachement
1x 43" white umbrella
1x 43" silver umbrella
5 in 1 22" reflector set
and the appropriate flash shoe adaptors and PC cord to trigger the flash.

Have you read Strobist? It's very informative for lighting using flashguns and people on a budget.. strobist (external link)

Also I highly recommend taking a look at a 'one light' thread over at Fred Miranda, it's really inspiring. I know you have more than one light but it shows you what can be acheived with minimal equipment and also quite a few posted diagrams of their setups which is helpful.. http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/42411​5 (external link)


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Mar 10, 2007 10:28 |  #4

Thanks guys. Checking out the info now.




  
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Mar 10, 2007 13:50 |  #5

My apologies for not responding earlier, I hesitated because I am by no means accomplished at this yet so don't want to steer someone in the wrong direction. Judging by your post, you are as new to lighting as me, if not, I again apologize. If correct, here's my take on the whole thing...

For me, starting out very simple is helping me to learn faster than buying a whole bunch of equipment right away.(which sounds like the same thing you are after) I'd suggest not worrying about hair lighting for now unless that is your goal. You have what I would say is sufficient light equipment as far as speedlites so I'd start with one and move it around till you find what you like, then add the others in as you find out what direction you want to take your pictures. Umbrellas are cheaper than softboxes so I'd start with them first.

As for getting lost in all the information, I understand completely. Just take your time and try simple setups first. It won't take you long to see what you need (want) to add or do. Not sure if this is what you are after, but this is the way I have been learning.


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Mar 10, 2007 19:34 |  #6

If budget is an issue:

If you already have a pile of recent Canon Speedlights, building and ad hoc portable studio based on them seems reasonable.

If you do not already have a pile of recent Canon Speedlights, building and ad hoc portable studio based on them seems like an exercise in burning a very significant pile of cash.

Good quality studio lights like Alien Bee units are less expensive, have modeling lights, are significantly more powerful, and easily accept a wide assortment of inexpensive and widely available light modifiers.

A battery based flash unit like the Sunpak 383 has about the same power as a 580EX and cost only $80.00 (not $350.00 like a 580EX). There are good units to base a " Portable studio using speedlights" on.

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Mar 10, 2007 19:56 |  #7

My only advice would be to avoid spending a lot of money on stuff that won't be useable if/when you upgrade to "real" studio lighting.

Make portability part of your objective. A few economy lightstands and 42" or smaller umbrellas won't cost a lot, and will fit into a tripod bag for easy transport.

And as Lon suggests, old-fashioned flash units are not only much more economical than EX Speedlites, but more easily adapted for off-camera use.


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Mar 10, 2007 20:27 |  #8

Thanks for all the advice. I've been doing a lot more reading. Some of the threads look real familiar, but only after reading them 2 or 3 times does it all sink in. :-)

So I figure I'll just use my current gear and add on some umbrellas and stands. Couple of questions:

1. Would a softbox be better for portraits than an umbrella? If so, is there a place that sells a speedring to fit the 430/580? (I've seen the DIY projects, but I don't have that much talent or time)
1a. Is a speedlight powerful enough for use with a softbox?

2. Has anyone bought these umbrellas/stands off of ebay. If so, which vendor have you found to sell the best quality at the most reasonable price.


Thanks again for all the advice.




  
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Mar 11, 2007 01:38 |  #9

Umbrella is easier to setup, but softbox gives better controls. The link below is a small softbox combo, has evrything needed to mount the EXs.

6 ft from the subject @ iso 100, 430/580 will at least provide f8, you can raise the iso from there.

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …ghType=category​Navigation (external link)


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Mar 11, 2007 03:17 as a reply to  @ Lotto's post |  #10

Umbrellas are so cheap and a good way to start and you can use them with monolights later on. Photogenic's Eclipse is a good brand.

Better than a cheap umbrella - Photek make a softliter umbrella (3 sizes) with a diffusion cloth (provides a soft light for flash or monolights) and comes with gold and silver inserts. Worth considering.

If you have the flashes fine but don't spend on equipping a studio if you have not bought as yet. It will work out in the end more expensive than a set of AB's which provide far better quality light with modelling lights. I made this mistake!! Monolights should be your first choice.




  
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Mar 12, 2007 00:36 |  #11

With the exception of using different stands, I use the hardware to mount the softbox and 580ex for a portable kit of mine, and they work well.

But some food for thought.

Buying a 580ex is about $380. An Alien Bee 800 is more powerful, and about $100 cheaper. All the accessories are made to work together, so you won't need to hodgepodge anything together.

I built a portable kit based on 4 580ex strobes, 2 med softboxes, 2 umbrellas, speed rings, custom made snoots and grids, barn doors, etc, and spent far more than a similar setup with WL800ws monolights. But it all fits in a medium sized tripod bag! I paid for portability, and compromised a bit on ease of use to do that. So I would heistate to add anymore speed lights to your setup, and go wtih something like the Alien Bees, WL, or similar.

With that said, you already have a 508, access to a second one, and a 430. You can easily make a nice little portable portrait setup with that. Depending on the variety of work you want to do, either umbrellas or softboxes will work. I would take the time to read up on the differences in the light quality between an umbrella and a softbox, and see which you like best. They are both pleasing, just different. You as the artist get to make that decision. There is some good info here; http://ksp.webphotosch​ool.com/index.html (external link). I think PhotoFlex has some comparisons on their website as well.

As mentioned by CanonCam, use one light off camera and play with it. Soften it with diffusion, move it closer, further, create shadow patterns by putting a plant in front of it between the subject, use a cardboard tube to act as a snoot for 40's hollywood glamour images, etc. You will learn so much more by doing that than starting with a whole bunch of equipment.

Here are a couple one light images. Very easy to do, quick to setup, and they turn out pretty reasonable results.

One strobe with a grid.

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One strobe with a softbox and close to the subject.
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One strobe with a softbox fairly close and feathered.
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You really don't need a lot of lighting equipment to get decent results. Take one strobe and play with softlight, hard light, feathered lighting, diffused, snoots, etc. Once you get bored with that, add another light and try mixing the lighting types such as hard and diffused, snoots and grids, etc. Also add in contrast ratios between the two lights. You'll get some very creative and excellent images by doing this, much more so than by starting with the standard softbox, fill, and hair light. Once you work up to three lights, you'll automatically know how to setup the traditional portraiture ligthing just by looking at a well lit portrait IMO.

Just a another way to approach learning lighting, which also happens to work very well if your lighting budget is tight.

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Mar 12, 2007 02:37 |  #12

The only reason I wouldnt go with the Speedlight way is the complete lack of modifiers. I was able to get a great setup with Metz handle mount flashes that worked really well. Only thing is that I was very limited to the control of the light.

Went back to the AB setup and built my own battery. Much cheaper than 2 580s but much more powerful and versatile.

This setup allows an AB400, medium octabox, battery. Was easy enough for me to run up and down stairs and holding all my gear. Didn't have a problem, but the quality of light is 1st for me.

Samples from yesterday.

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Mar 12, 2007 14:25 |  #13

Thanks for everyone's input. Out of all the stuff that I've read this has got to be THE MOST INFORMATIVE write up I've seen: http://ksp.webphotosch​ool.com/index.html (external link)

Thanks sfaust for posting that. I think for now, I'll stick with my speedlights and get 2 lightstands for them, a background light and some reflectors. Now that I've made my INFORMED decision, It's time to get up and do it. Thanks again!!




  
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Mar 12, 2007 14:29 |  #14

Whatever way you decide to go, I would highly recommend you invest in a light meter in this somewhere so that you can learn what you are doing... otherwise it will be very frustrating and you won't learn anything. I would get fewer lights, get a meter, and get some reflectors to work with. You'll learn so much more.


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Mar 12, 2007 22:17 |  #15

convergent wrote in post #2859020 (external link)
Whatever way you decide to go, I would highly recommend you invest in a light meter in this somewhere so that you can learn what you are doing... otherwise it will be very frustrating and you won't learn anything. I would get fewer lights, get a meter, and get some reflectors to work with. You'll learn so much more.


Interesting....out of all the threads I've read, not one has said that a light meter was a must have. Could you elaborate on why?

Thanks!




  
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