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Mar 13, 2007 20:51 |  #1

recently i had the pleasure of working with an Alien Bee ring flash. I got some DELICIOUS results, as you can see in the 3rd and 4th images here:

http://www.blee-ree-eyed.com/photo/portrai​ts.html (external link)

Now i have had it explained to me that the difference in quality and clarity of image between the ringlfash shots, and the others (mostly a 100ws kit) is a question of technique and modifiers, and NOT of light source power.

If that is the case, then what is the issue? Am i shooting under-exposed? Do i need different softboxes or umbrellas? Or am i just useless with a studio setup? Or am i just gob-smacked with the deliciousness of a ringflash?

Any guidance would be excellent.


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Mar 14, 2007 02:17 |  #2

It appears that this is your second attempt to gain more insight or understanding of your lighting needs. Again you have posted your shots comparing the ringlight to your 100 ws lights. As no one has yet to comment, I will try. As stated, the ringlights, that you seem to favor, are going to have a different look because of their position. This type of lighting has been used in glamour lighting to provide a more flat lighting such that a woman's face would not show skin blemishes and wrinkles as much. A simular type lighting, and much better in my view, is to use three umbrellas in a circle and the camera is shooting in the middle. I am not so in love with the ringflash effect as you seem to be. To me the lighting is too flat.

Let me try to explain. As you learn about lighting, you will note that there is a loss of light as you get further from the light source ( fall off ), and the closer the light source, the greater the degree of fall off. This fall off causes more sudden developement of shadows as you get further away, which in turn, yields a more three dimensional image. Now, a large light source ( soft box, umbrella, flash bounced off a wall or panel ), very close to the subject, creates this effect, and this large light source creates nice large catchlights in the eyes.

I am guessing, but you might like some of your results, with soft box and umbrellas, if you try the following. Move lights very close to subject, move main light higher and not so far from camera, adjust fill light a little off axis and lower the power or move further away to produce 1 to 1 1/2 stops of light less than main light. If you don't have a flash meter, use the histogram to set exposure. Some of you shots appear to be underexposed. Lighting is about position, distance, and diffusion. Power, if sufficient, only relates to ISO and fstop, and the look of the lighting will be the same.




  
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Mar 15, 2007 10:48 |  #3

hmmm... okay, just as i suspected...

i would be better of investing in a flash meter than an upgrade in lights at this point i suppose, good to know.

Thanks


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Mar 15, 2007 11:51 as a reply to  @ photog_87's post |  #4
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Also, after image 10, moving left to right. You have grammatical and spelling errors in the titles of the "theatre" images. I might be being picky and offering unsolicited feedback, but, it's something I always notice.

Portrait is mispelled, and there should be a possessive apostrophe in directors.

As far as exposure...I would agree. Trying bringing the lights in closer. Start with one light and build the scene. As you gain more experience, you will be able to start constructing more complex scenes in your head prior to set up. The key is to try "not over doing it", too soon.


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Mar 15, 2007 12:49 |  #5

Many of your images just require some small tweaks in photoshop. Levels and colour balance (especially the wedding images) is off a bit. Also a little burning of the wall in the shot with the guy, makes it stand out a little more. Some sharpening too would help.

Really geat images that just need a little attention in post processing. - Here's a couple of examples for instance - Let me know if you like/don't like?

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Screamer wrote in post #2875448 (external link)
Portrait is mispelled, and there should be a possessive apostrophe in directors.

Just one point regards the grammar. I'm not so sure you need the possessive apostrophe as it's a portrait of 2 directors not a director's portrait (which then suggests the Director owns the portrait - i.e. possessive).

I think Directors Portrait - Really depends how it's meant.


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Mar 16, 2007 10:30 |  #6

I believe that the apostrophe should follow the letter s. So "directors' portrait".

"Director's portrait" would be singular possessive. But if both the guys in the photo are directors then use "directors' portrait".

Anyway, I don't know much about lighting, but they look pretty good to me. I think I'm also a fan of the ringflash look (although I've never used it).


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Mar 16, 2007 10:42 |  #7
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KAS wrote in post #2881132 (external link)
I believe that the apostrophe should follow the letter s. So "directors' portrait".

"Director's portrait" would be singular possessive. But if both the guys in the photo are directors then use "directors' portrait".

Anyway, I don't know much about lighting, but they look pretty good to me. I think I'm also a fan of the ringflash look (although I've never used it).

exactly, but enough about grammar. :)


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Mar 16, 2007 14:05 |  #8

:) Glad I was corrected


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Mar 19, 2007 12:15 |  #9

EOS_JD:

Hmmm... good work, they both look a little too heavily processed for me, but i agree on the sharpening, i keep forgetting that when you size down a big crisp TIFF, that you need to re-sharpen to get the same effect.


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Mar 19, 2007 12:36 |  #10

Screamer wrote in post #2875448 (external link)
You have grammatical and spelling errors............... I might be being picky and offering unsolicited feedback, but, it's something I always notice............

Portrait is mispelled,

Sorry, I just couldn't let this one go.:p
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