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Can I see some sample "RAW" (unprocessed studio) shots???

 
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Mar 23, 2007 18:53 |  #1

Hi everyone,
I'm playing with my new Dyna-Lites (1/2 power shown here), and I'm wondering what should a non-processed studio shot look like as far as exposure?
Is this underexposed?
I'm soooo used to post-processing everything, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be looking for! Maybe my eyes are fried from that LASIK surgery I had done last Saturday :rolleyes:

Can anyone attach a raw, non-processed studio shot so that I can compare?
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Mar 23, 2007 22:19 |  #2

Not sure what you want to compare...every shot is different and you can't post raw images. There are too many folks on these forums that can shoot images that make me want to sell my cameras and get a different profession. In other words, I edit my 'studio shots' too. Here's one, no processing, too much light, perhaps a bit soft.


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Mar 24, 2007 02:17 |  #3

Titus213 wrote in post #2920893 (external link)
Not sure what you want to compare...every shot is different and you can't post raw images. There are too many folks on these forums that can shoot images that make me want to sell my cameras and get a different profession. In other words, I edit my 'studio shots' too. Here's one, no processing, too much light, perhaps a bit soft.

Nice photo! It looks great to me.. I wouldn't change anything :)
I guess I'm just trying to figure out if most images shot in the studio are supposed to look "not so hot" at first.. or is it that I haven't put the right ingredients together yet? Still cookin.... :) I just spent about 1 1/2 hours photographing myself with different settings, trying to get it right.


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Mar 24, 2007 02:32 |  #4

This is the lightness (as far as exposure) at which I generally shoot - slight curves adjustment and extremely minor sharpening, which I did in the RAW converter.

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Mar 24, 2007 02:57 |  #5

Titus213 wrote in post #2920893 (external link)
Not sure what you want to compare...every shot is different and you can't post raw images. There are too many folks on these forums that can shoot images that make me want to sell my cameras and get a different profession. In other words, I edit my 'studio shots' too. Here's one, no processing, too much light, perhaps a bit soft.

This picture looks very good unprocessed. I would love to see the processed one.

Pretty girl by the way.

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Mar 24, 2007 09:29 |  #6

It has always been my opinion that in studio shots you should not need much processing at all. You have control of the lights, the background, the pose, the distances and the camera. You might get some funky expressions and closed eyes but for the most part they should be keepers.

Some day I hope to get to that point but until then I post process my studio shots.:lol:

Codex0 - very nice work.


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Mar 24, 2007 10:22 |  #7

Jmanser, Shoot in RAW and make adjustments in post until you learn what it is that floats your boat. For the shot that you posted, id say it dont look too bad, i would frame and shoot tighter, then spent time in post learning what you need to do to make it better. Your goal is to try to nail the shots exposure in camera, so that just minor PP is required

Titus: the expression you have captured of this young lady is priceless. Your composition, clothing and the BG work very well together. DOF is a tad bit shallow. But what's more important is what you have captured here. This one should make a parent (or grandparent) very happy. :)

Codexo: nice job, Great low key shot. Im assuming that this is a 1 light setup.


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Mar 24, 2007 11:05 |  #8

Your shot looks slighly underexsposed by about half to a stop on my monitor but PS can just about make it right .
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Mar 24, 2007 13:58 as a reply to  @ GyRob's post |  #9

Thanks everyone! I will keep trying to find my perfect recipe for lighting. I definitely will shoot in RAW.


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Mar 25, 2007 17:51 |  #10

I tired to upload a .CR2 raw file, but it wouldn't let me. Either I did it wrong, or couldn't because it was a 13MB file (from a 16MP camera). At least I tired!

Oh yea, something else to keep in mind. Photographers usually calibrate their cameras to the RAW software, and the various color spaces. So what you see as far as exposure, color, etc, may be different from what the original photographer may see with his specific tweaks. Just something to think about when evaluating the raw files.


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Mar 25, 2007 21:42 |  #11

swrtoad wrote in post #2922757 (external link)
Codexo: nice job, Great low key shot. Im assuming that this is a 1 light setup.

Thanks to everyone for the comments. That is shot with a single flash bounced off a roll of white paper with another piece of white paper as a reflecter.


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Mar 26, 2007 07:57 |  #12

Speaking where I have no business speaking, if you are trying to get a handle on lighting, I would shoot in JPEG at first. I look at it as being like the difference between shooting slides and negatives. If you wanted to learn about light control back in the film days, you should have shot slides in my opinion. That is because there was no one between you and the finished product, including yourself. Nothing was open to interpretation. What you saw on the slide was what you got when you exposed it. With a negative, the printing phase allowed for all kinds of adjustment and misadjustment. You may or may not have gotten what you were after depending on how it was printed. Even printing my own color negatives, I fiddled with them and subjected them to interpretation. I could create what I had in mind, but the negatives were too forgiving for me to have learned much from. A similar situation exists with raw and JPEG. Raw, like a negative, is designed to be fiddled with and is very forgiving. The end result may be much better than the same image shot in JPEG, but adjustment is required to get there. So practice with some JPEGs. When you get so you don't blow the highlights or send the shadows into oblivion when you didn't mean to, then you have the basis to start playing with raw images. Just my two cents worth.




  
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Mar 26, 2007 11:16 |  #13

Having shot tens of thousands of rolls of slide and negative film in my day, the advise Jim gave is spot on!


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Mar 26, 2007 15:24 |  #14

Now that's the first time I've ever seen that advice about jpg and raw. It's always been just the opposite, shoot raw until you can nail the exposure and white balance in the camera. I've always figured the film processor was applying correction to the stuff sent in for processing, much like I do with raw images.

BTW - the net can not interpret a 'RAW' image which is why (besides the size) that it wouldn' t upload. It would have to go up as a data file I believe and be downloaded for processing.


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Mar 27, 2007 00:02 |  #15

Titus213 wrote in post #2934164 (external link)
It's always been just the opposite, shoot raw until you can nail the exposure and white balance in the camera. I've always figured the film processor was applying correction to the stuff sent in for processing, much like I do with raw images.

Where I think it seems backwards is that Jim is suggesting that one shoot JPEG as a way to hone their skills at getting it right in-camera and not using the RAW format as a crutch. The basis being that they will be able to see their mistakes in JPEG since its a 'what you see is what you get' medium compared to RAW.

Typically the recommendation is to shoot RAW so that you get a usable image if you do screw up, not because shooting RAW will help you fine tune your shooting skills. Its used as a crutch, not a learning tool. JPEG is more of a learning tool since there isn't that crutch to lean on.

Negative film and RAW allow you to play loose with exposure and color balance, so you can get lazy and rely on that crutch. Slide film and JPEG require you to be right on the money, so the feedback is great for seeing how well you are doing.

So yea, it is backwards in a way, but the motivation is different. One is to help guarantee usable images when you need to deliver, the other is to highlight your mistakes so you can learn faster when you don't necessarily need to deliver images.


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