Need Help with Ilford Profiles

I just got a Canon 6700D and I'm trying it out on some Ilford Paper(Smooth Pearl Paper and Smooth Heavyweight Matte Paper).

I followed the instructions that came with the profiles I downloaded but when I print using the Ilfrod profiles everything is so dark and you lose a lot of detail. it looks horrible.

The print preview window looks basically the same as what comes out but what is printed is even more saturated! I tried adjusting the contrast and intensity in the printer driver but it still looks horrible.

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Have a read here: Click.
If that doesn't work, some extra info about settings might be nice.

I read the link and it seems to make sense to me but it didn't explain why the canon print preview and prints turn out very black looking. Here are my Photoshop Colour settings.

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well I did some more searching and reading here on the forums but for the life of me I don't know what I am doing wrong. If I use srgb in photoshop all the images look washed out on my monitor and not the same as i see them in IE or the windows image/fax viewer.

I did however find a way to print with results i'm happy with but everything I read about colour manegment says i'm doing it wrong.

I have the colour management set to "Monitor RGB - Color Profile for Windows" in the color setting and told photoshop to use this profile in the print settings. The photos that print out with this configuration look pretty close to what I see on my monitor.

Still like to figure out what i'm doing wrong though. help apreciated. thanks.

Cyclone_S wrote in post #3002621
well I did some more searching and reading here on the forums but for the life of me I don't know what I am doing wrong. If I use srgb in photoshop all the images look washed out on my monitor and not the same as i see them in IE or the windows image/fax viewer.

I did however find a way to print with results i'm happy with but everything I read about colour manegment says i'm doing it wrong.

I have the colour management set to "Monitor RGB - Color Profile for Windows" in the color setting and told photoshop to use this profile in the print settings. The photos that print out with this configuration look pretty close to what I see on my monitor.

Still like to figure out what i'm doing wrong though. help apreciated. thanks.

It seems we are having the same problem. My prints and the image in print with preview are over saturated.I can get mine to print more accurate using "printer color managment" in the printer profile.
I am using a Canon i9900 and Elements 4.

Cyclone_S wrote in post #3002621
well I did some more searching and reading here on the forums but for the life of me I don't know what I am doing wrong. If I use srgb in photoshop all the images look washed out on my monitor and not the same as i see them in IE or the windows image/fax viewer.

I did however find a way to print with results i'm happy with but everything I read about colour manegment says i'm doing it wrong.

I have the colour management set to "Monitor RGB - Color Profile for Windows" in the color setting and told photoshop to use this profile in the print settings. The photos that print out with this configuration look pretty close to what I see on my monitor.

Still like to figure out what i'm doing wrong though. help apreciated. thanks.

You really shouldn't be using your monitor profile as your working color space. You should be using sRGB, Adobe RGB or one of the other device independent color spaces for your working space.

Is your monitor calibrated and profiled? If not, that may be your problem.

For starters: Do not use your monitor profile as a working space...

Have a read here: Click

I'm not really sure. When I first set up my monitor I adjusted the colour etc manually. I have both a LCD and CRT and both are totally different monitors and both give me the same problem.

When I use sRGB or Adobe RGB all photos that I open up in PS look very light and shadow areas reveal more grain. Even photos directly from my camera which have sRGB profiles look too light and washed out.

If I use sRGB as a working space the photos look very light in photoshop but if I use the 'Print Preview' and set it to use the sRGB print profile then the Canon Print Preview window shows the photo with colours looking like I see them In Internet explorer and don't look too light. But when I use the sRGB working space and then use the ilford print profiles I still get very black and oversaturated colours.

this makes no sense lol. Anyone willing to walk me through this? I want this photo to print out the same(close) to what I see on my desktop or internet explorer etc using the ilford profiles.

original file(not mine)
http://www.inspiredvis​uals.com/egggray-1148078904.jpg

If it helps I could take some photos of the actual prints that come out. thanks

Looks fine in my (color managed) browser.
Check the second link I provided: There are a few links in there to printing. (first link I gave is a direct link).
Try those settings, and see what happens.

ok for some reason photoshop is acting weird and won't switch the colour space...

so I am using Digital Photo Professional. When I open a raw file and switch from sRGB to Adobe RGB the colours look a bit brighter. Is this normal? When I open a sRGB jpeg photo and switch to Adobe RGB the colours look a bit darker. Is this normal to? I still have the black saturated colours in DPP like I did in photoshop in the print preview window using the ilford profiles.

I read your tut twice thanks. It makes sense. I will read those links also and try to learn a bit more. This is so confusing. The idea of colour spaces isn't confusing but I am getting so many conflicting results that it makes no logical sense to me...

You say you "switch color spaces". Do you mean you "convert" or "assign"? The first shouldn't give (big) a difference (depending on the colors in the image and the rendering intent used; see some of the links in the link in post #7).
I think in DPP the image should look the same regardless of output space. (I think that's what you mean?).

Assigning an AdobeRGB profile to an sRGB file (and vice versa)in PS essentially throws color management out, and will give a big color shift.

After all the colour space stuff gets worked out, go back to the .zip file that you got from ilford and read the PDF supplied to show you exactly how to setup the print settings. They are key.

FYI: Costco Kirkland Premium Glossy Photo Paper is made by ilford and if you use the Smooth Gloss profile it works excellent.

René Damkot wrote in post #3014911
You say you "switch color spaces". Do you mean you "convert" or "assign"? The first shouldn't give (big) a difference (depending on the colors in the image and the rendering intent used; see some of the links in the link in post #7).
I think in DPP the image should look the same regardless of output space. (I think that's what you mean?).

Assigning an AdobeRGB profile to an sRGB file (and vice versa)in PS essentially throws color management out, and will give a big color shift.

In DPP I went to Adjustment/Work Color Space and changed it from sRGB to Adobe RGB while viewing a raw file. The picture looked lighter then the sRGB. When I used the Wide Color Gamut RGB the picture looked a lot lighter. The lighter the colours look the more grain I see in the shadow areas. I'm usuming this is normal?

In photoshop however when I use the sRGB working space a jpeg photo with a sRGB profile embedded or any photo for that matter looks very light. Maybe something is messed up on my computer?

I will read those links when I get the chance and hopfully theres a solution in there.

That's cool. Thanks. I bet its cheaper to

To print correctly with Photoshop, you really need to have a calibrated monitor. Otherwise, you will end up like you're doing right now (and what I've done in the past); playing randomly with settings until you have something <<ok>>! When you have a calibrated monitor, you will want Photoshop to operate with either the sRGB or Adobe RGB color space and your images will be display correctly. The funny thing is that a sRGB image in Photoshop will not look the same in a browser likle Explorer (no color management). But with a calibrated monitor, it should be very close. The whole point of the sRGB profile is to have a color space which is close to what will be display by an "average" monitor/video card combo. When you play with color management and ICC profiles, you really need to take care of the whole system (from the monitor to the printer).

Cyclone_S wrote in post #3017630
In DPP I went to Adjustment/Work Color Space and changed it from sRGB to Adobe RGB while viewing a raw file. The picture looked lighter then the sRGB. When I used the Wide Color Gamut RGB the picture looked a lot lighter. The lighter the colours look the more grain I see in the shadow areas. I'm usuming this is normal?

In photoshop however when I use the sRGB working space a jpeg photo with a sRGB profile embedded or any photo for that matter looks very light. Maybe something is messed up on my computer?

What version of DPP are you using?

I tried it out, (because I never use the Adjustment > Work Color Space option, I set a default work space in the prefs), and found a few things:
sRGB (as well as Apple RGB and ColorMatch RGB) is displayed a bit lighter then AdobeRGB, or Wide Gamut RGB(which appears a *tiny* bit darker still...)

These are *small* differences over here.

When using AdobeRGB (my default work space), and exporting a jpg, the jpg looks a tiny bit different in PSCS2. (a bit lighter/less contrast / tiny bit less red/more green).
The same goes for Wide GamutRGB and sRGB.

(You need to have the screenshots side by side to see the difference between DPP and PS though.)

The sRGB jpg looks a bit less saturated in PS then the other files. (I think I see a very small difference between the Wide GamutRGB (16bpc tif) and AdobeRGB (jpg) file color/contrast wise.). The difference between the working spaces seem about the same in both programs.

(for those interested: Here is a screenshot of the sRGB and WideGamutRGB screenshot opened in PS. (screenshot converted to sRGB)

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