Could someone show me how you set up your lighting for business head shots, like on a business card or for professional use. Im very new at this! Thank you.
pamijo89 Member 48 posts Joined Oct 2005 Location: The Good Life More info | Apr 07, 2007 12:40 | #1 Could someone show me how you set up your lighting for business head shots, like on a business card or for professional use. Im very new at this! Thank you. Canon 20D (with grip), Canon 40d, Canon L 24-70mm,Canon 50mm 1.4, Canon 85mm 1.8, 70-200mm 2.8 L, 580 ex speedflash, 2 AB800, 2 softboxes, 4 strobes, backdrops, flash bracket, reflectors and other misc....
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DaveG Goldmember 2,040 posts Likes: 1 Joined Aug 2003 Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia More info | Apr 07, 2007 19:37 | #2 pamijo89 wrote in post #3000850 Could someone show me how you set up your lighting for business head shots, like on a business card or for professional use. Im very new at this! Thank you. I set up my Main (with an umbrella as a light modifier) at about 45 degrees to one side of the subject and I measure that flash alone. You will need a flash meter to do this. You'll be able to figure out the exposure using the histogram and some trial and error but you'll never be able to get consistent lighting ratios without a flash meter. Anyway lets say the Main measures out to f5.6. "There's never time to do it right. But there's always time to do it over."
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jbimages Senior Member 492 posts Joined Mar 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia More info | Apr 08, 2007 00:35 | #3 Wouldn't one stop lower be a 1:2 ratio? John
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TMRDesign Cream of the Crop 23,883 posts Likes: 12 Joined Feb 2006 Location: Huntington Station, NY More info | Hi John, Robert
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DaveG Goldmember 2,040 posts Likes: 1 Joined Aug 2003 Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia More info | Apr 08, 2007 06:39 | #5 TMR Design wrote in post #3004080 Hi John, This is a common misconception. Many people think that by setting your main and fill 1 stop apart that you have created a 2:1 ratio. That is incorrect. Think of it this way: When you have your main and fill set up, and let's say your main light gives you a reading of f/11 and your fill is f/8. Let's think of the f/11 as 2 parts of light and the f/8 as 1 part (f/11 is twice the amount of light as f/8 ). In a typical setup the subject recieves 2 parts of light from the main and it also receives 1 part from the fill since the fill strikes both the hightlight and shadow side of the subject. So if you add the 2 parts of light with the 1 part of light you have 3 parts of light on the hightlight (main) side and 1 part of light on the shadow (fill) side. This gives you your 3:1 ratio.
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TMRDesign Cream of the Crop 23,883 posts Likes: 12 Joined Feb 2006 Location: Huntington Station, NY More info | Hello pamijo89, Robert
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johneric8 Goldmember 1,153 posts Joined Feb 2005 More info | Apr 09, 2007 12:13 | #7 everyone sees this differently.. I was tought and still follow the rule that
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TMRDesign Cream of the Crop 23,883 posts Likes: 12 Joined Feb 2006 Location: Huntington Station, NY More info | Hi John, Robert
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DaveG Goldmember 2,040 posts Likes: 1 Joined Aug 2003 Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia More info | Apr 09, 2007 12:49 | #10 johneric8 wrote in post #3010910 everyone sees this differently.. I was tought and still follow the rule that 2:1 is a one stop difference.. Techically this might not be right right but I was taught this by my mentor who is a famous photog.. The way I figure it out you always divide 2 into the second number to come up with your stop difference.. For example: for a 2:1 ratio you divide 2 by 2.. Of course 2 goes into 2 one time so therefor you have a 1 stop difference.. Now, I'm sure people will disagree with this but, it hasnt failed me yet so I'm sticking to it.. Another way to look at this is to figure how many stops apart is an 8:1 ratio? take 2 into 8 and you have 4 stop difference.. Again, this was taught to me by a brilliant guy and I'm not going to argue with his theory..
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johneric8 Goldmember 1,153 posts Joined Feb 2005 More info | Apr 09, 2007 17:11 | #11 DaveG wrote in post #3011129 What is 1:1 then? If one stop is 2:1 then surely 1:1 is no difference between the two lights, right? Let's see what happens when we try this. You set up two flashes so that one is at the camera position and the other is at 45 degrees and they both are putting out EXACTLY the same light, measured at the subject distance and let's say they are both outputting f5.6. There should be NO difference in light output from one side of the face to the other. Except there is, because f5.6 from one the Fill hits only the shadow side of the face, while f5.6 from the Fill and the Main hits BOTH sides of the face. That lighting is 2:1 even though the light output is identical. A ratio is NOT stops, it's the relationship between how much light hits one side of the face as compared to the other. In this case of equal lighting amounts, two "parts" of light have struck the highlight side while one "part" has struck the shadow side, and that's 2:1. Flash output is only part of lighting ratios since WHERE you put the lights completely affects the outcome. If I put both flashes on the Main side then I have NO lighting ratio even if I changed one flash so that there was there was a one stop difference between the two lights. The only way to actually get 1:1 lighting is that BOTH lights need to be set up at 45 degrees on each side of the subject (cross lighting, yech, but 1:1) and effectively there's no fill. This is not all about light output, but light placement, and I'm afraid your guy got it wrong. He may like a one stop difference between the Main and the Fill, and he may have always thought that it was 2:1; but it's 3:1, so break it to him gently. I hear arguments going both ways.. I dig that you have your opinion and I won't try to change it.. It's taught both ways get used to it..
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ootsk Goldmember 1,154 posts Likes: 13 Joined Jan 2002 More info | Apr 09, 2007 23:38 | #12 So, ratio's aside, here's one with no fill light. One softbox, and one refelctor directly under the camera. One hairlight also. And I don't own a flash meter..I measure the distance to the softbox.
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Embers Member 66 posts Joined Feb 2007 Location: NYC Metro Area More info | Apr 10, 2007 10:06 | #13 [QUOTE=DaveG;3002633]Then I place the fill light (again bounced into an umbrella) within 20 degrees of the camera position so its light will fall on both sides of the subject's face. If the Fill is not within 20 degrees of the camera then it's not a fill! I measure that light individually and I want it to be just a bit less than a stop below the Main. 30D and a few Canon lenses
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johneric8 Goldmember 1,153 posts Joined Feb 2005 More info | Apr 10, 2007 10:37 | #14 [QUOTE=Embers;3016333] DaveG wrote in post #3002633 Then I place the fill light (again bounced into an umbrella) within 20 degrees of the camera position so its light will fall on both sides of the subject's face. If the Fill is not within 20 degrees of the camera then it's not a fill! I measure that light individually and I want it to be just a bit less than a stop below the Main. Hi Dave, Can you explain exactly what you mean by placing the fill within 20 degrees of the camera position? Is it next to the camera and angled 20 degrees to the subject, is it closer to the subject than the camera or further away? Also how far do you suggest the main should be from the subject given it's 45 degree positioning? I'm not sure I'm the one you want answering this but, 20 degrees of camera position is pretty much right next to the camera. so, if your the camera man it's near and above your left shoulder while your main is off at a 45 degree to your right side.. You can tie a string to your main light and always keep the power setting the same if you want it's actually very helpful.
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DaveG Goldmember 2,040 posts Likes: 1 Joined Aug 2003 Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia More info | Apr 10, 2007 15:46 | #15 [QUOTE=Embers;3016333] DaveG wrote in post #3002633 Then I place the fill light (again bounced into an umbrella) within 20 degrees of the camera position so its light will fall on both sides of the subject's face. If the Fill is not within 20 degrees of the camera then it's not a fill! I measure that light individually and I want it to be just a bit less than a stop below the Main. Hi Dave, Can you explain exactly what you mean by placing the fill within 20 degrees of the camera position? Is it next to the camera and angled 20 degrees to the subject, is it closer to the subject than the camera or further away? Also how far do you suggest the main should be from the subject given it's 45 degree positioning?
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