Lightroom "Auto Tone" Issue

Wow, that is interesting. The only thing that I can think of is that Irfanview is using a different monitor profile than LR or Irfanview is doing some type of Auto function itself and brightening the photo. Can you email me the JPEG?

If you are viewing the Raw files in both apps, they are bound to look different... LR uses a certain 'default' for a camera that has *no relation whatsoever* to the 'in camera' settings. (Since it can't read them; they are Canon proprietory).
Only the WB setting is used (and pretty loosely at that).

I suspect IrfanView will do it different (I'm guessing it uses the built in jpg preview), and another raw converter will be different yet again.

In the above example, IMO exposure didn't change. WB and contrast did. I'd expect that to be the LR 'defaults' at work.

René Damkot wrote in post #4224855
If you are viewing the Raw files in both apps, they are bound to look different... LR uses a certain 'default' for a camera that has *no relation whatsoever* to the 'in camera' settings. (Since it can't read them; they are Canon proprietory).
Only the WB setting is used (and pretty loosely at that).

I suspect IrfanView will do it different (I'm guessing it uses the built in jpg preview), and another raw converter will be different yet again.

In the above example, IMO exposure didn't change. WB and contrast did.

I agree except that he mentioned he tried exporting the images from LR and got the same result. So if LR is altering the file it should show up on the exported version as well as in LR.

In2Photos wrote in post #4224867
I agree except that he mentioned he tried exporting the images from LR and got the same result.

That's what I thought at first, but this quote says otherwise (I think)

Hurricane_777 wrote in post #4224320
Not converted files, rather this is how they appear in their respective viewers. <...> When I convert the file out of LR (using any of the 3 color spaces) and open using Irfanview, the image looks fine (not under exposed like in the example above).

René Damkot wrote in post #4224915
That's what I thought at first, but this quote says otherwise (I think)

Right. Let us see if we can get this straight. So if the image is viewed in LR it looks like the first image posted above (sort of looks underexposed, but more like a WB/contrast issue). If viewed in Irfanview it looks fine. Then if the image is exported from LR is still looks fine in Irfanview. Is that correct, Hurricane?

In2Photos wrote in post #4224763
Wow, that is interesting. The only thing that I can think of is that Irfanview is using a different monitor profile than LR or Irfanview is doing some type of Auto function itself and brightening the photo. Can you email me the JPEG?

I did double check Iview this AM before I left and any of the auto settings that it would apply (it had 1 for gamma) were unchecked, so it should be rendering these untouched. I'll double check again when I get home.

I'll shoot you the jpg when I get home this evening as well. FWIW, it seems to be doing this with all of them and I do have some on my laptop here at work that I can send.

Thanks!

In2Photos wrote in post #4224979
Right. Let us see if we can get this straight. So if the image is viewed in LR it looks like the first image posted above (sort of looks underexposed, but more like a WB/contrast issue). If viewed in Irfanview it looks fine. Then if the image is exported from LR is still looks fine in Irfanview. Is that correct, Hurricane?

Correct, whatever LR is doing to make the image look that way it's not doing on the export, when I export and open back up in Iview it looks like the 2nd file (exposed okay).

I haven't tried changing the WB or adjusting contrast to make the file "look" like it does in Iview, as I really believe (my eyes are telling me anyway) that there's an exposure issue here. LR bumping up the brightness (way up) and exposure on nearly every image sort of confirms that for me as well. Clearly the WB between the two is different, as the LR file produces a bit warmer (yellower) cast, but I still think it's a least a stop under in LR.

The bummer part for me is that I'm afraid to play with the brightness is LR....if I adjust exposure or brightness to make the image look properly exposed in LR then I blow it out when viewing it in other viewers. I haven't tried CS2 yet as I do not have it loaded on my new machine.

Also, just for clarification, these are jpg's out of the camera, not Raw files.

Thanks folks!

Hurricane_777 wrote in post #4225046
Correct, whatever LR is doing to make the image look that way it's not doing on the export, when I export and open back up in Iview it looks like the 2nd file (exposed okay).

I haven't tried changing the WB or adjusting contrast to make the file "look" like it does in Iview, as I really believe (my eyes are telling me anyway) that there's an exposure issue here. LR bumping up the brightness (way up) and exposure on nearly every image sort of confirms that for me as well. Clearly the WB between the two is different, as the LR file produces a bit warmer (yellower) cast, but I still think it's a least a stop under in LR.

The bummer part for me is that I'm afraid to play with the brightness is LR....if I adjust exposure or brightness to make the image look properly exposed in LR then I blow it out when viewing it in other viewers. I haven't tried CS2 yet as I do not have it loaded on my new machine.

Also, just for clarification, these are jpg's out of the camera, not Raw files.

Thanks folks!

How does the image look in a web browser or file browser?

Hurricane_777 wrote in post #4225046
LR bumping up the brightness (way up) and exposure on nearly every image sort of confirms that for me as well.

So LR is on 'Auto'?
That would explain a few things.
Set all sliders at "0", except blacks (5), contrast (+25) and brightness (+50). Those are about the canon defaults.

In2Photos wrote in post #4225090
How does the image look in a web browser or file browser?

I haven't checked a web browser...can do that when I get home. In a file browser (Explorer) they all look like the Iview image.

René Damkot wrote in post #4225122
So LR is on 'Auto'?
That would explain a few things.
Set all sliders at "0", except blacks (5), contrast (+25) and brightness (+50). Those are about the canon defaults.

Sorry....to clarify, it's not set to auto, but when I click Auto LR bumps up the brightness typically between 40 and 70 and also typically bumps exposure by a 3rd stop or so. Since these are jpgs I would expect LR to present the file "as shot," which would included any paramaters used in camera. I could see your point if it were a raw file, but with jpgs i would expect more of a WYSIWYG type deal.

Opened it in Paint Shop Pro, Firefox and Windows explorer and they all look like the iview image. Something's seriously out of whack.

I did try to adjust WB in LR and while it got the colors closer, it still didn't pick up the exposure stuff that I'm seeing...and it shouldn't, I guess. I then exported the file after getting the colors closer, and the WB in the exported file is all out of whack. My LR isn't displaying right.

YES!!!! Figured it out!!!!

http://www.adobeforums​.com/webx/.3bc85da7/0

It was a corrupt monitor profile (and mine's a Samsung too...go figure!). Switched it to sRGB and it's all good. Everything matches up now!

Now I need to decide whether to start shooting and viewing in AdobeRGB, but I'll put that one off for a while.

Hurricane_777 wrote in post #4229998
YES!!!! Figured it out!!!!

http://www.adobeforums​.com/webx/.3bc85da7/0

It was a corrupt monitor profile (and mine's a Samsung too...go figure!). Switched it to sRGB and it's all good. Everything matches up now!

Now I need to decide whether to start shooting and viewing in AdobeRGB, but I'll put that one off for a while.

Glad you found the problem. Do not start using AdobeRGB until you:

a) Calibrate your monitor
b) Have a thorough understanding of color management
c) See a reason to go beyond sRGB (which will go with b)

In2Photos wrote in post #4230108
Glad you found the problem. Do not start using AdobeRGB until you:

a) Calibrate your monitor
b) Have a thorough understanding of color management
c) See a reason to go beyond sRGB (which will go with b)

Thanks for the tips. With where I'm at right now "free-time" wise, I can't see myself making the investment. I'm just happy with the simple fact that (to me) my apps all show the same color and that they show up in the prints I get back from Mpix.