Just back home...Apple Computers VS PC

Village_Idiot wrote in post #3120625
Did...see above.

Village_Idiot wrote in post #3120457
A dell with a 20" monitor with similar specs as a 20" imac is $1069. The imac is $1499.

is that a better comparison?

I'm not sure. You'll have provide the specs, hardware and software, for the Dell.

Vista Home Premium is not similar to Mac OS X Tiger. And what I said was:

Tony-S wrote in post #3119017
Well, if you compare similarly-equipped Macs and PCs, the price is really about the same (at least in the U.S.).

To which you said:

Village_Idiot wrote in post #3120063
Don't start this....no their not.

And then you proceeded to list a Dell that is not similarly-equipped, hardware and software-wise. What I'd like to see are similarly-equipped Macs and Dells. All the refs I've seen suggest the price differences are a wash, including one by the most Anti-Mac King Paul Thurrott has agreed.

transcend wrote in post #3120680
...where all the hardware and software work without conflicts, fear of viruses, spyware or other such nonsense. It is indeed a good world to be in.

No problems what so ever....

http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/foru​mdisplay.php?f=13

http://www.macfixitfor​ums.com/

http://www.machelpforu​m.com/index.php

Tony-S wrote in post #3120689
I'm not sure. You'll have provide the specs, hardware and software, for the Dell.


Vista Home Premium is not similar to Mac OS X Tiger. And what I said was:


To which you said:


And then you proceeded to list a Dell that is not similarly-equipped, hardware and software-wise. What I'd like to see are similarly-equipped Macs and Dells. All the refs I've seen suggest the price differences are a wash, including one by the most Anti-Mac King Paul Thurrott has agreed.

It's ok, I can understand if you don't want to believe that nothing is better/cheaper/smarter​/sexier/fixes better coffee/makes you feel better about yourself than your mac.

Gooooo post count.

Oh, and I own a MBP, it was more expensive than my Dell laptop and doesn't exactly have better hardware specs...just a slighty faster processor....like .16ghz faster....that's about the only hardware advantage it has and the MBP is refurbed as well.

Tony & Transcend ... you do see who you are arguing with right?

Village_Idiot wrote in post #3120702
It's ok, I can understand if you don't want to believe that nothing is better/cheaper/smarter​/sexier/fixes better coffee/makes you feel better about yourself than your mac.

I've said many times before that the choice of computer should be based upon one's needs and desires. What I am compelled to respond to is factually-inaccurate information. No one ever said you can't get a Windows-based PC for less than a Mac; what we are saying is that similarly-equipped Macs and PS are similarly-priced. Nothing more, nothing less.

wlescall wrote in post #3120713
Tony & Transcend ... you do see who you are arguing with right?

An IT tech / network admin / programmer that has a user name that's more than easy to poke fun at?

Tony-S wrote in post #3120748
I've said many times before that the choice of computer should be based upon one's needs and desires. What I am compelled to respond to is factually-inaccurate information. No one ever said you can't get a Windows-based PC for less than a Mac; what we are saying is that similarly-equipped Macs and PS are similarly-priced. Nothing more, nothing less.

Wellll....the dell tower and the imac were about $450 difference between the two....practically the same specs and all...those would be the pc's that most average users would be purchasing...I don't know how much more similar I can get. I can get a local PC store to build me a custom gaming rig for price that will have similar, not exact (like the other comparisons) that would be cheaper.

wlescall wrote in post #3120360
I'm sure there will be objections but:
From System Shootouts

$580 Educational Shootout
$680 Educational SFF Shootout

Make sure you READ the faq.
System Shootouts FAQ

Did anyone even bother to look at these side-by-side comparisons?

wlescall wrote in post #3120802
Did anyone even bother to look at these side-by-side comparisons?

Yeah, they're comparing two systems with completely different processors and they aren't exactly similar....

And it is obviously biased when they don't bother to get information for some of the PC hardware, but have all of it for the Apple.

Village_Idiot wrote in post #3120818
Yeah, they're comparing two systems with completely different processors and they aren't exactly similar....

You did the same for the core duo vs the core 2 duo.

Yeah, for this one and this one for essentially the same money, the Macs have a BETTER processor, MORE L2 cache, and a FASTER front side bus.

And these are pretty much the same for the SAME PRICE.

wlescall wrote in post #3120849
You did the same for the core duo vs the core 2 duo.

Yeah, for this one and this one for essentially the same money, the Macs have a BETTER processor, MORE L2 cache, and a FASTER front side bus.

And these are pretty much the same for the SAME PRICE.

They're comparing Dell Precision PCs against mac pros and Dell XPS pc's against imacs....any one see a slight problem with that?

Again, I priced a dimension with the same specs as the mini, and it was less. Also, it's less than a similarly specced iman, even with a monitor added.

Slightly less biased since they both have almost identical processors and the rest of the specs are the same, minus peripheral connection options. Those reviews have different options for memory, hard drives, processors and are all over the place...they prove...well, not much.

Village_Idiot wrote in post #3120818
Yeah, they're comparing two systems with completely different processors and they aren't exactly similar....

Is that he pot calling the kettle black?

There are plenty of PC sites that come to the same conclusion, including the one I referenced above.

[Edited to correct Mac price and include 256 mb VRAM]

So I went to Dell and configured an E520 similar to a 20" iMac. The PC wins on video card (256 vs. 128 mb) and DVD burn speed (16x vs 8x), but it apparently does not include 802.11n wireless, gigabit ethernet, bluetooth or digital optical I/O. The PC was $1,617 and the Mac was $1,749. Is this an unfair comparison of machines, otherwise?

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Dimension E520 Intel ® Core™2 Duo Processor E6400 (2.13GHz, 1066 FSB)
Operating System Genuine Windows Vista™ Ultimate
Memory 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz- 2DIMMs
Keyboard and Mouse Bundles Dell USB Keyboard and Dell 2-button Scroll Mouse
Monitor 20 inch E207WFP Widescreen Digital Flat Panel
Video Cards 256MB nVidia Geforce 7300LE TurboCache
Hard Drives 250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™
Floppy Drive and Media Reader No Floppy Drive Included
Mouse Mouse included in Wireless, Laser or Bluetooth Package
Network Interface Integrated 10/100 Ethernet
Modem 56K PCI Data Fax Modem
Adobe Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 7.0
CD or DVD Drive 16x DVD+/-RW Drive
Sound Cards Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
Speakers No speakers (Speakers are required to hear audio from your system)
Office Productivity Software (Pre-Installed) Microsoft Works 8. DOES NOT INCLUDE MS WORD
Security Software No security subscription (McAfee 30-day trial)
Warranty and Service 2Yr Ltd Warranty and At-Home Service
Internet Access Service 6 Months of America Online Membership Included
Enhanced Software for CD or DVD Burner Roxio Creator 9 Premier: Burn CDs and DVDs, Edit Video, and more
Miscellaneous Award Winning Service and Support
Optional Ports IEEE 1394 Adapter
TV Tuners & Remote Controls ATI Theater 650 PRO Combo Analog/Digital TV Tuner with Remote Control
Dell Digital Entertainment No Entertainment software pre-installed
Labels Windows Vista™ Premium
TOTAL:$1,617.00


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20" Widescreen iMac
2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
250GB Serial ATA Drive
ATI Radeon X1600/256MB VRAM
SuperDrive 8X (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Apple Keyboard & Mighty Mouse + Mac OS X (US English)
20-inch widescreen LCD
AirPort Extreme 802.11n
Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR
Digital optical and analog audio I/O
Firewire 1394
Built-in iSight camera
IR receiver/remote control

Tony-S wrote in post #3120920
Is that he pot calling the kettle black?


There are plenty of PC sites that come to the same conclusion, including the one I referenced above.

[Edited to correct Mac price and include 256 mb VRAM]

So I went to Dell and configured an E520 similar to a 20" iMac. The PC wins on video card (256 vs. 128 mb) and DVD burn speed (16x vs 8x), but it apparently does not include 802.11n wireless, gigabit ethernet, bluetooth or digital optical I/O. The PC was $1,617 and the Mac was $1,749. Is this an unfair comparison of machines, otherwise?

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Dimension E520 Intel ® Core™2 Duo Processor E6400 (2.13GHz, 1066 FSB)
Operating System Genuine Windows Vista™ Ultimate
Memory 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz- 2DIMMs
Keyboard and Mouse Bundles Dell USB Keyboard and Dell 2-button Scroll Mouse
Monitor 20 inch E207WFP Widescreen Digital Flat Panel
Video Cards 256MB nVidia Geforce 7300LE TurboCache
Hard Drives 250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™
Floppy Drive and Media Reader No Floppy Drive Included
Mouse Mouse included in Wireless, Laser or Bluetooth Package
Network Interface Integrated 10/100 Ethernet
Modem 56K PCI Data Fax Modem
Adobe Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 7.0
CD or DVD Drive 16x DVD+/-RW Drive
Sound Cards Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
Speakers No speakers (Speakers are required to hear audio from your system)
Office Productivity Software (Pre-Installed) Microsoft Works 8. DOES NOT INCLUDE MS WORD
Security Software No security subscription (McAfee 30-day trial)
Warranty and Service 2Yr Ltd Warranty and At-Home Service
Internet Access Service 6 Months of America Online Membership Included
Enhanced Software for CD or DVD Burner Roxio Creator 9 Premier: Burn CDs and DVDs, Edit Video, and more
Miscellaneous Award Winning Service and Support
Optional Ports IEEE 1394 Adapter
TV Tuners & Remote Controls ATI Theater 650 PRO Combo Analog/Digital TV Tuner with Remote Control
Dell Digital Entertainment No Entertainment software pre-installed
Labels Windows Vista™ Premium
TOTAL:$1,617.00

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20" Widescreen iMac
2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
250GB Serial ATA Drive
ATI Radeon X1600/256MB VRAM
SuperDrive 8X (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Apple Keyboard & Mighty Mouse + Mac OS X (US English)
20-inch widescreen LCD
AirPort Extreme 802.11n
Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR
Digital optical and analog audio I/O
Firewire 1394
Built-in iSight camera
IR receiver/remote control

I was comparing systems with the same processors, hard drive sizes and speeds, and everything else...

where are you getting your prices or what are you adding?

Dell Dimension E520
Date & Time: April 28,2007 8:41 PM CST

SYSTEM COMPONENTS
Dell Dimension E520 Qty 1
Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E4300 (1.8GHz, 800 FSB), Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium Unit Price $1,199.00
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Catalog Number: 29 DDCWAA4
Module Description Show Details
Dimension E520 Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E4300 (1.8GHz, 800 FSB)
Operating System Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium
Memory 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz- 2DIMMs
Keyboard Dell USB Keyboard and Dell 2-button Scroll Mouse
Monitor 19 inch E197FP Analog Flat Panel
Video Cards 256MB ATI Radeon X1300 Pro
Hard Drives 250GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™
Floppy Drive and Media Reader No Floppy Drive Included
Mouse Mouse included in Wireless, Laser or Bluetooth Package
Network Interface Integrated 10/100 Ethernet
Modem 56K PCI Data Fax Modem
Adobe Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 7.0
CD or DVD Drive 16x DVD+/-RW Drive
Sound Cards Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
Speakers No speakers (Speakers are required to hear audio from your system)
Bundle Microsoft Works 8. DOES NOT INCLUDE MS WORD
Security Software No security subscription (McAfee 30-day trial)
Warranty and Service 1Yr Ltd Warranty and At-Home Service
Internet Access Service 6 Months of America Online Membership Included
Miscellaneous Award Winning Service and Support
Dell Digital Entertainment Trial pack- Basic and trial products from Corel and Yahoo
Labels Windows Vista™ Premium

TOTAL:$1,049.00

iMac, 20-inch, Intel Core 2 Duo
Part Number: Z0DH
Accessory kit
2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
250GB Serial ATA Drive
SuperDrive 8X (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Apple Keyboard & Mighty Mouse + Mac OS X (US English)
ATI Radeon X1600/256MB VRAM
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB

$1749

This is funny. I can price the same computer cheaper from the same manufacture. Can you find a link on Apple's website that save you $600?