Printing 8x10's

*Mike* wrote in post #3125994
Use the crop tool in CS2. Put your settings at 8x 10 and dpi at 250 or higher (depending on your lab). Ideally, if you know a print will be in a 5x7 format or 8x10 - you'll have to leave room for cropping when you shoot the image. In other words, you need to leave some dead space to get the image to crop the way you want. A way around the 4x6's looking silly - don't offer that size. The smallest size we offer is 8x10 for the purchase of a solo print. If they order a package it might have 5x7's since grandparents tend to ask for that size. No one has whined about us not offering the 4x6 size. We push large prints, so that could be why. But a little planning goes a long way. And if you crop all your own stuff - which is REALLY easy - you can control it to your liking and not worry about the printer.

Does the dpi setting effect the resoultion of the picture being sent to lab to print.

canon shooter wrote in post #3126017
Is there a way to do this and still get the full frame of what was taken?

If you're cropping an 8x12 down to an 8x10, no, you're not going to get the full frame.

canon shooter wrote in post #3126017
And how do you avoid cropping unwanted subject or if other sizes are printed leaving too much on the edges

You need to plan ahead...when shooting the image, leave some space at the ends to allow for cropping later.

canon shooter wrote in post #3126045
When you use the crop tool and set at 8x10 then do you select the entire image with the crop tool?

Pretty much, but remember, the original is 8x12 (basically), so you're going to end up cropping some off.

canon shooter wrote in post #3126179
IS this ratio the same for Digital P&S and 35MM film

35mm file is 2:3 (24mm x 36mm), but many P&S are 3:4...a little better for 8x10's, but not 4x6's.

canon shooter wrote in post #3126250
Does the dpi setting effect the resoultion of the picture being sent to lab to print.

When using the crop tool, leave the resolution field blank. That way, you don't add, delete or change any of the existing pixels.

canon shooter wrote in post #3125923
I guess I am really missing something???

I look at other Wedding pictures on this site and others and they are all pretty much framed close. As I did with my shots (See attached).

But when I go to send to lab to print 8x10's they are cropping too much of the image off.

How do you get around this. If I leave a lot more and customer printed some as 4x6 or 5x7 they would have to be cropped to get excess out.

I am really struggling with the 8x10 crop thing. I can't seem to get it to resize without changing the prespective of the photo. This one changes a little, faces look wider to me. Anybody know what I am doing wrong

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davidgr wrote in post #3126284
If you're cropping an 8x12 down to an 8x10, no, you're not going to get the full frame.

You need to plan ahead...when shooting the image, leave some space at the ends to allow for cropping later.

Pretty much, but remember, the original is 8x12 (basically), so you're going to end up cropping some off.

35mm file is 2:3 (24mm x 36mm), but many P&S are 3:4...a little better for 8x10's, but not 4x6's.

When using the crop tool, leave the resolution field blank. That way, you don't add, delete or change any of the existing pixels.

When you start the crop and the prospection check box shows up do you check it. I am checking it but still seem to lose some prospective

SuzyView wrote in post #3125958
All files taken on the dslr's give you the 2x3 ratio. If you want the 8x10's then the lab will take off 1 inch on each side of what you sent at 8x12. So you will get a lot of cropping. The 2x3 ratio also does not work for the 5x7 images. Less than an inch would be cropped off of those from the originals as well. So, the advice about sending the crop you need is true. Just do some PP, crop the pictures and save them with a tag that says 8x10, or 5x7 to make sure they are saved in the cropped that you sent to the lab. If you don't prepare the images, the lab does whatever it wants and sometimes, it just does whatever and you're stuck with some really badly cropped work.

So this is even true with full frame DSLR's like the 5D???You just get more in the frame, but the cropping would be the same??

Most of what I have done outside of a few weddings recently, has ben landsape / outdoor work. And I guess I knew they were cropping but with landscapes you did not notice it much. Or pictures of kids and birthday parties, little league games. Here most only end up in 4x6 and guess that is full frame for my camera.

What happens in larger sizes than 8x10. I understand 8x12 will be full frame, but what if you go to 11x14, I guess you would have a little less cropping than an 8x10??? Is it the ratio of 2x3 that is the key??? So a 20x30 will also be a full frame????

In regards to the wider faces, it looks as if you resized rather than cropped the photo. When you change the ratio of the picture from 2x3 to 4x5 using resize, all of the pixels are still there, just arranged differently which cause thing to alternately widen and thin (depending on perspective) When you crop you actually remove pixels i.e. make the photo smaller. Resizing is NOT the same as cropping.

Try this link to learn more about cropping with CS2, it explains cropping pretty well.
http://graphicssoft.ab​out.com …s2lessons/ss/cr​optool.htm

th3r0m wrote in post #3126829
In regards to the wider faces, it looks as if you resized rather than cropped the photo. When you change the ratio of the picture from 2x3 to 4x5 using resize, all of the pixels are still there, just arranged differently which cause thing to alternately widen and thin (depending on perspective) When you crop you actually remove pixels i.e. make the photo smaller. Resizing is NOT the same as cropping.

Try this link to learn more about cropping with CS2, it explains cropping pretty well.
http://graphicssoft.ab​out.com …s2lessons/ss/cr​optool.htm

I did use the crop tool. How would I keep the ratio the same

jorj7 wrote in post #3125162
Jim,

If you took images straight from the camera, they would print proportionally correctly
at 8x12. If you want to print 8x10 then you probably should crop (and maybe resize)
them to 2400x3200 pixels (or what ever the dpi of the printer is times 8x10 ).

If as part of workflow after you get images ready to print and save as jpg, if I then have to crop for say 8x10, will the image quality suffer if I do the crop to the jpg vs. PSD

Jim,

If you save the image as jpeg and set the quality to max (10) then you should not lose
any image quality. The images will be large (filesize), but will retain all the detail. Just
make sure that you don't upres the photo too much, ie. crop to smaller then your target
resolution, then scale up the image. That's where you can decrease your image quality.

jorj7 wrote in post #3128437
Jim,

If you save the image as jpeg and set the quality to max (10) then you should not lose
any image quality. The images will be large (filesize), but will retain all the detail. Just
make sure that you don't upres the photo too much, ie. crop to smaller then your target
resolution, then scale up the image. That's where you can decrease your image quality.

George as you can tell I am learning CS2 and printing/crop. But want to make sure I understand you statement. I have already saved the image to jpg at max (12), then if I do the crop to say 8x10, and save as a different jpg max (12), will I lose any quality since I cropped a jpg vs. psd??

Jim,

Jpegs will lose some quality for each iteration of save, use, edit, save. The amount of
quality lose will be very small when you set the save to max, but it depends on the
types of edits. If you start your work flow from the original image file and save it to
different file each time you do any edits, the lose of image quaility is kept to a minimum.
Just don't save over the original! I write protect the original files, and save the edited
files into another directory/folder.

jorj7 wrote in post #3128977
Jim,

Jpegs will lose some quality for each iteration of save, use, edit, save. The amount of
quality lose will be very small when you set the save to max, but it depends on the
types of edits. If you start your work flow from the original image file and save it to
different file each time you do any edits, the lose of image quaility is kept to a minimum.
Just don't save over the original! I write protect the original files, and save the edited
files into another directory/folder.

George I think I am with you. If I have saved the original to jpg only after all edits are done and then have to crop that jpg, I assume the loss will be very small and not noticeable? Meaning the cropping is the only edit after saving as jpg

This question comes up quite a bit by people who are new to photography. Please take a look at THIS LINK for an overview of the various options when dealing with different aspect ratios.

Rad

This issue was new to me as well. I didn't edit too often, but noticed the quality did suffer if I saved between work. Then I figured everything out, after a year or so. Reading the manual does help a lot, and so do tutorial. So, read up on the cropping, or else find a teenager. They always think they know everything.