DPP wishlist

keywording!

...and all of the things that you mentioned in thread post #1 of this thread René Damkot, and then I will move away from LR at the speed of light

To add further support to your already mentioned comments, the crop to straighten would be fantastically useful, as also the highlight recovery, and IPTC support (why on earth did the omit that?!!!=?)

tzalman wrote in post #3165706
I think there will always be a bit of difference because DPP accesses the OS's color management engine while Adobe have their own.

You learn something new every day

In PS color prefs, there is a setting "Conversion options > Engine"
I've that set to Adobe (ACE), since that was recommended.

Setting Apple ColorSync or Apple CMM should give the same results as DPP then?
Any drawbacks you're aware of? Yahoo found nothing on the subject, apart from Norman Koren mentioning that "Engine should have little effect on image appearance"...

andrewaaa5 wrote in post #3165768
(why on earth did the omit that?!!!=?)

You probabely don't wanna know: "One problem with IPTC metadata is that it is not an international standard. (There's a different metadata standard called NSK in Japan, for example), so adding support for IPTC without adding support for various alternatives wouldn't fly very well with customers outside North America."

René Damkot wrote in post #3165858
Setting Apple ColorSync or Apple CMM should give the same results as DPP then?

I don't know how good ColorSync is. I do know that until recently MS's engine was not well regarded. It is supposed to be one of the improvements in Vista.

J Rabin wrote in post #3153305
I agree, and will add a rant to Rene's observation.
There are some [RAW] shoots in difficult lighting where ONLY DPP provides satisfactory White Balance of all RAW converters.
I purchased LightRoom [LR], and am discarding it because LR has the worst crude "modal" interface of all RAW converters I've used. The conversions are high quality, but nothing I can't do in PSCS3. And since every RAW converter except for RAW Developer has poor insufficient output sharpening for going to print, one needs to own PSCS2 or PSCS3 anyway. Basically, LR's modal interface sucks, but it sits on a good RAW converter engine.

Rene, who cares about IPTC in the converter when we can do all the IPTC in iView Media Pro, and round trip to which ever RAW converter is the right one for the job?
The iView round trip would be ideal because I can use ANY RAW converter, but is ,imiting because the only way to see changes in iView previews is by going DNG, and I CAN'T go DNG, because DPP is not compatible with DNG! Thus, I feel your frustration, Sir.

I share frustration, and resigned myself to using multiple RAW converters, round-tripped from iView (for the IPTC). But, you can not imagine how angry I am at purchasing Adobe LR, and finding that its crude, modal interface is the worst thing I've used since ESRI GPS mapping/GIS databasing software. That is really modal stuff also. And they are the Microsoft of GIS.

Additionally, not only do I need DPP for white balance and other features, but I also use RAW Developer for when I need detail extracted from RAW images. There is NO raw converter that comes remotely close to Raw Developer for detail. It makes Adobe conversions look like sloppy mush. Here is a typical example I did comparing Adobe ACR with Raw Developer: http://aesop.rutgers.e​du …neDetail_RD_PSC​S2_100.htm. RD can extract and render hair details down to 1 or 2 pixels wide. Compare the insect's cuticle details and hairs in ACR vs. RD. Stunning difference in detail extraction.

So, we need PSCS for output sharpening for prints (with PhotoKit Sharpener), and DPP for accurate white balance in difficult light, and Raw Developer for macro work.

How in the hell am I supposed to round trip .CR2 RAW images from Lightroom to DPP or RD and back? It exports converted .TIF files darn-it! I also discovered when you rename a folder in LR, it does not rename the actial folder, only a virtual folder in the program. And, you can't use multiple monitors with LR.

The only advantage to PSCS3/LightRoom for the RAW conversion over DPP is the highlight recovery and shadow recovery. But with careful DPP curves use, I get pretty darn close. It requires curves instead of easy sliders.

I am go try Aperture because it has far better database than LightRoom, and is not modal in operation like antiquated Windows software.

In the meantime, I'll stick with iView for IPTC and database, round tripping to whichever converter is the best for the image at hand.

I am so pissed LightRoom, after all hoopla, missed the user interface mark by a wide margin. I find it clumsy. I normally don't comment hard on POTN, but I "feel your wish-list" for the single converter, database, IPTC application that would do it all. It does not exist. And I'm pissed at throwing money out on LR.

Jack

You didn't download and use the beta or trial version first? You could've saved your self a lot of money and time by not having to post this angry rant.

I for one find LR very satisfactory. It can use a little more work in some areas, but there's always room for improvement. Metadata editing, keywording and the recovery tool pretty much sealed the deal for me. I still have DPP on my machine and use it for doing quick edits that I don't care about importing into LR.

The ability to show the 'Auto Focus' points that were used at the time of shooting. Zoom Browser does this, but I can't see this feature in DPP

Good point. If they also added the ability to change PFn's, then I could finally remove Eos Viewer Utility from my system

The ability to see photo 'INFO' in 'quick check'

Whilst in 'Quick Check' tool (ALT+Q), the ability to 'right click' a photo to see 'info', e.g. to see exif data/what lens used etc is not present.

CTRL+I is also a keyboard short cut to 'info', but this also fails to work in 'Quick Check' tool.

It is highly annoying that this feature is not active in the 'Quick Check' tool.

SORTING by '*edited'

we can currently sort by 'check mark 1,2,3', 'raw', 'shooting date' but I would like to see the ability to sort by the photos in the current folder that have the * mark next to them (i.e. those that have been recently edited and not yet saved) so when I switch to other folders I can see quickly if I want to 'save' the changes to all the photos with the * mark.

reason, if i mark a photo with check mark 1, and then remove the check mark, this is recorded in dpp as a 'change' to the photo and wants a 'save' before I switch folders, even though I have done nothing to the photo. I would say this was an annoying bug.

so, either the ability to sort by 'edited' or the fix to this bug would be great

Another tiny point: Add a few keyboard shortcuts to toggle 'Before/after comparison" on and off, and "change up/down/left/right"...

talking of keyboard shortcuts (or even mouse commands) I find it annoying that I cannot navigate to the 'next photo' when NOT in 'quick check' mode.

e.g. double click a photo to make it larger, and then do the necessary (a bit of editing etc.) but now, how about an easy way to get to the next photo to edit? erm, does not exist....

setting up the arrow keys do this would be a supper addition...

Don't double click on the thumbnails. Select all the images you want to edit and then click on the Edit Image Window button (upper left corner). This is different from the Edit Window and has navigation arrows at the top-center. It also has a button to toggle film-strip thumbnails of the selected files.

You can also use Cmd+right arrow to go to the Edit Image window.
When there, you can use Cmd+up/down arrow to go to the next/previous image...
Other shortcuts: Cmd+1/2/3/4 to zoom to 50%/100%/200%/fit.

Thanks tzalman and rene, that is jolly good advise. I would not have noticed that.
But i still think it would be nice to navigate after double clicking a photo...