Lightroom Exported JPEGS lose colour when re-saved in Photoshop

HELP! i have processed a whole RAW shoot in LR, and the resulting images are bright and saturated and vibrant... but when i produce copies of these images in PS (CS2) for emailing etc, they change colour in the 'save-for-web' screen and go noticeably duller - even when saved at highest quality

does anyone else have this issue and know how to fix it? i have never experienced a colour change in 'save-for-web' before. tried upping the saturation before saving but really didnt help

also, the original exported LR photos change colour in the same way when displayed within email software like Outlook Express, even when they have not been reduced in photoshop

see sample below:

ps - i processed most of the pics using LR preset: direct positive, and then adjusted from there. dont know if that is significant or not

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Don't use save for web. It's always done that to me. Save as... desired quality level. And strip EXIF another way, if that's why you want to save for web. (only reason I would use it myself)

When you "Save For Web" make sure "ICC Profile" is ticked.

Wazza wrote in post #3162075
Don't use save for web. It's always done that to me. Save as... desired quality level. And strip EXIF another way, if that's why you want to save for web. (only reason I would use it myself)

well i find that the images arent small enough if not processed using the saveforweb filter, and its harder to maintain good visual quality with small filesize just using save-as. i dont use save for web for anything but web images, any customer images are always 300+ dpi and save-as at high quality

cdifoto wrote in post #3162091
When you "Save For Web" make sure "ICC Profile" is ticked.

it wasnt ticked, so i just tried it: the image did not alter in the preview window, but when i saved it, it matched the original! thanks so much for your help

what does ICC Profile mean? should i leave it ticked by default for any other images i process which arent from photo shoots? (im a web/graphic designer etc)

I find that the changes you make in Lightroom to RAW files are not known to CS3 when it opens the file - I could have missed something but I tried this and compared one-on-one the same file- one version in Light room and then the same opened directly via CS3. They were visibly different.

I think you have to open the RAW file in Lightroom and tell Lightroom to open the file for PS for editing purposes and LR passes your edit preferences with the file.

What I do because of this is: If I have a batch of files - I will export them from Lighroom to JPEg's and then edit those needing it in PS. Others may be able to shed more light on this subject and I would also appreciate any feedback or guidance. Dennis

somethingsimple wrote in post #3162136
it wasnt ticked, so i just tried it: the image did not alter in the preview window, but when i saved it, it matched the original! thanks so much for your help

what does ICC Profile mean? should i leave it ticked by default for any other images i process which arent from photo shoots? (im a web/graphic designer etc)

I'm not an expert on this color profile business, but the basic jist is an ICC profile is embedded in an image to tell a browser/window/program​/whatever how to render the colors. Not all browsers/windows/progr​ams/whatevers are compatible though and the image may or may not still look a bit wonky depending how it's viewed.

Dchemist wrote in post #3162140
If I have a batch of files - I will export them from Lighroom to JPEg's and then edit those needing it in PS.

this is exactly what i did, which is why i couldnt figure out why one jpeg was one set of colours and the copy jpeg was another.

however ticking ICC Profile solved it perfectly so i guess that is the solution

Convert to sRgb before you save for web - every time. Not all browsers are color profile aware so just ticking the box while using another profile won't always help AFAIK. If you don't understand color it's safest to stick to sRgb for everything. Customers coming now can clarify later if need be.

tim wrote in post #3163762
Convert to sRgb before you save for web - every time. Not all browsers are color profile aware so just ticking the box while using another profile won't always help AFAIK. If you don't understand color it's safest to stick to sRgb for everything. Customers coming now can clarify later if need be.

Absolutely. For those that don't completely understand color profiles, check this out... http://regex.info …-tech/color-spaces-page1/ ... VERY informative.

:p

tim wrote in post #3163762
Convert to sRgb before you save for web - every time. Not all browsers are color profile aware so just ticking the box while using another profile won't always help AFAIK. If you don't understand color it's safest to stick to sRgb for everything. Customers coming now can clarify later if need be.

Tim,

The conversion to sRGB, is this done in PS or in Lightroom?

You can choose or convert your output color space in any color profile aware application.

Sorry for digging up an old thread, but it was stickied in the LR links master thread.

I am having the same/similar issues when exporting my RAW file to a JPG. I do not have this problem when exporting with DPP. Colors look very different, and I'm fairly positive it has something to do with the color space or embedded ICC profile. Here are my questions/issues.

1. Does Lightroom automatically edit in sRGB space or Adobe RGB? Can I change it to edit in sRGB color space?
2. I have tried to export as sRGB, Adobe RGB (1998) and ProPhoto RGB, all 3 produces a JPG that looks different (color-wise) when viewed with Windows Viewer, ACDSee, IE, Irfanview, etc.
3. I do not have this issue when exporting to JPG with DPP. Though I do notice DPP edits in sRGB color space and has the ability to embed the ICC profile in the pic. I cannot find this option to embed the iCC profile in LR at all. I want to use LR as my main RAW editor, but this issue is driving me nuts.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Edit: The jpg looks correct color wise when I import it back with LR. Nothing else views the JPG correctly.

Moogul wrote in post #9381748
1. Does Lightroom automatically edit in sRGB space or Adobe RGB? Can I change it to edit in sRGB color space?

LR "edits" in MelissaRGB. (Kinda like ProPhotoRGB with a different tonal response curve)
Nothing to worry about, since there's no way to alter it.
You can set sRGB, AdobeRGB or ProPhotoRGB as output color space.
I'd recommend sRGB, since you're asking the next question:

Moogul wrote in post #9381748
2. I have tried to export as sRGB, Adobe RGB (1998) and ProPhoto RGB, all 3 produces a JPG that looks different (color-wise) when viewed with Windows Viewer, ACDSee, IE, Irfanview, etc.

None of these are color managed. (Assuming Win XP). So you will always see the image different compared to a color managed application such as LR.
sRGB will show the least difference, so use that as working space.

Moogul wrote in post #9381748
3. I do not have this issue when exporting to JPG with DPP. Though I do notice DPP edits in sRGB color space and has the ability to embed the ICC profile in the pic. I cannot find this option to embed the iCC profile in LR at all. I want to use LR as my main RAW editor, but this issue is driving me nuts.

If your image looks the same in DPP and a non color managed application, that's because you've set up DPP wrong: In the DPP prefs, there's a "Color management" tab. You should choose your monitor profile there as monitor profile. In your case, it's probably at the default: sRGB:

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Moogul wrote in post #9381748
Edit: The jpg looks correct color wise when I import it back with LR. Nothing else views the JPG correctly.

That's because LR is color managed.

Note: If you see a huge difference between LR and a non colormanaged application while using sRGB (and you are not using a wide gamut screen), your monitor profile might be corrupt.


If you want accurate displaying of images, calibrate your monitor, set DPP correct, and view images in a colormanaged application.

However: If all you want is consistency between colormanaged an non-colormanaged applications, set sRGB as your monitor profile in the OS
(Note: This will be inaccurate, since your monitor is not sRGB, but it might be relatively close)

If you want more info: Have a read in the links from my sig.

Thank you very much for the reply Rene. It definitely helps clear things up, and I read the link in your signature as well.

I will definitely look into calibrating my LCD monitor. I noticed the Adobe Gamma, but that seems to be mostly for CRT monitors... the other solutions is some kind of hardware device. Any type of software calibration for LCD's?

Now this all leads up to my ultimate confusion:

Assuming I calibrate my monitor properly, edit in LR, then export to JPG with sRGB, will this mean that other people seeing my jpg on other websites (essentially on another computer) will see the jpg fairly close to what I intended in LR? Or does this mean everyone else will need a color managed app to properly see the photo? I don't believe this to be case, but this what confuses me as well.

Otherwise, it just feels like I'm altering the color to just view properly on my system only. I know this shouldn't be the case.

Since most monitors are not designed for photo editing, the worst that happens is that your monitor, when calibrated, will 1) likely have the brightness turned down to match other calibrated/adjusted monitors and color-managed prints and 2) your colors will be adjusted to the right ballpark as well. So, on the non-calibrated monitors, a picture may tend to be brighter than you would see or a print would show, and may have some color variation when viewed side-by-side. But, once your system is set up to match prints, then just tell them to print them out if they have questions.