I have such a hard time with proper exposure and Bird Pics. The following was shot at ISO 200, f2.8 at 200mm. center weighted metering. What else could I do up front ? Too much noise ! Thanks... 
RandyMays Senior Member 712 posts Joined Feb 2006 Location: Nebraska More info | May 09, 2007 22:35 | #1 I have such a hard time with proper exposure and Bird Pics. The following was shot at ISO 200, f2.8 at 200mm. center weighted metering. What else could I do up front ? Too much noise ! Thanks... Canon 40D, 5D MK II
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joayne Cream of the Crop  More info | May 09, 2007 22:38 | #2 Um, you actually should be proud of this shot! Even with the thin DOF most is in focus, the color is vibrant and the eyes have catch light... joayne Contribute to POTN | Worldwide Photo Week
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Thanks ! Just wondering if I'm expecting too much out of 30D ? Love the shot, except for the noise. Canon 40D, 5D MK II
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joayne Cream of the Crop More info | May 09, 2007 22:47 | #4 A bit of noise reduction will make you happier... joayne Contribute to POTN | Worldwide Photo Week
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LazyPhotographer Goldmember  3,163 posts Likes: 2 Joined Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV More info | May 09, 2007 22:51 | #5 How much of a crop?? LazyPhotographer: One who uses a telephoto lens to shoot pictures out the car window or from a balcony.
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Just trying to improve upfront skills to avoid the pp. Canon 40D, 5D MK II
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Janika Goldmember  1,060 posts Joined Sep 2006 Location: Ontario, CA More info | May 09, 2007 22:58 | #7 I think your exposure is right, especially on a bird that's mostly black. My usual birding setup: ISO-160, Spot metering, Center focus point, Servo, F/5.6, AV mode and the exposure is 0 or +1 (John) CANON A590 iS - EOS 50D - EF 400mm f/5.6 L USM - EF 50 f/1.8 II - Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 XR Di II - Velbon Sherpa pro - SIGMA DG500-ST
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May 09, 2007 23:03 | #8 Janika wrote in post #3181254  I think your exposure is right, especially on a bird that's mostly black. My usual birding setup: ISO-160, Spot metering, Center focus point, Servo, F/5.6, AV mode and the exposure is 0 or +1 Thanks Janika. I'll try the servo again. I was in AI Focus. I did have a few shots at f/4.0 & 5.6 at ISO 400, but the noise just stunk... Canon 40D, 5D MK II
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LazyPhotographer Goldmember 3,163 posts Likes: 2 Joined Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV More info | May 10, 2007 02:05 | #9 I'm not a fan of ISO400, especially with the 30d - unless you're shooting raw or in a really well light area it always looks noisy to me. LazyPhotographer: One who uses a telephoto lens to shoot pictures out the car window or from a balcony.
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guitarman3 Goldmember  2,052 posts Joined Mar 2005 Location: Portland, OR More info | May 10, 2007 02:11 | #10 Randy, with a 70% crop, you're bound to make excessive noise visible. That's not a bad photo at all considering that crop factor. I found that with 200 mm, I needed to be awful close to the bird to avoid having to crop too much. IMO, it's not the 30D that is at issue here. Good luck! Dennis
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villageidiot Goldmember  1,307 posts Likes: 38 Joined Dec 2006 Location: murfreesboro Tennessee More info | May 10, 2007 04:09 | #11 RandyMays wrote in post #3181180 Thanks ! Just wondering if I'm expecting too much out of 30D ? Love the shot, except for the noise. If you haven't downloaded the free demo plug-in of NeatImage you're denying yourself a great tool in noisereduction technology. It's not difficult to use and would really clean up shots like this one (which is a GREAT pic, by the way!). "Slower minds keep right..."
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villageidiot Goldmember 1,307 posts Likes: 38 Joined Dec 2006 Location: murfreesboro Tennessee More info | May 10, 2007 04:13 | #12 RandyMays wrote in post #3181180 Thanks ! Just wondering if I'm expecting too much out of 30D ? Love the shot, except for the noise. I hope you don't mind, but I downloaded your shot and ran it through NeatImage. Took about a minute from this site to Adobe and back. Whatcha think?  HOSTED PHOTO please log in to view hosted photos in full size. "Slower minds keep right..."
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pttenn Cream of the Crop  9,671 posts Likes: 6 Joined Mar 2006 Location: Tennessee More info | May 10, 2007 08:25 | #13 Wow-that NeatImage really cleans up a shot! The original shot is terrific, just noisy due to distance and crop. Canon 50D, 40D, Tokina 12-24,Canon 18-55,Canon 28-135 IS, Canon 50 1.8,Canon 75-300 5.6,
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wlaramie Goldmember  2,518 posts Joined Nov 2005 Location: Mid-Atlantic Region, USA More info | May 10, 2007 08:29 | #14 Very nice shot. Guess it's time to explore NeatImage. I have CS3 enroute so I'm anxious to see what the combo will do. Bill
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morehtml Goldmember  2,987 posts Likes: 1 Joined Aug 2005 Location: Murfreesboro, TN More info | May 10, 2007 09:20 | #15 Personally I would shy away from center weighted or spot meter and learn how to use evaluative with proper EC in different situations. I used to use those some and they just don't work well for bird photography IMHO. You probably underexposed the image. A 30D 200 ISO should be close to noiseless! ---------------
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