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Sep 07, 2009 21:40 as a reply to  @ post 8601919 |  #31

Ok I think I know what may be going on... I just edited the same image atleast 50 times and done a number of things to it while saving it. My last attempt, I saved it as a .dng file and opened it up in CS2. I then proceeded to save it as a .jpg. I then went back into my folder and tried to open it back up in CS2 only to throw up a dialog box that said my color profile on the image didn't match and was showing it to be in Adobe RGB 1998 and gave me three options. I chose to override it and converted it to sRBG IEC61966-2.1. Now it shows up prefectly as I have edited it to. Question is, Do I have to do this for every image or is there a way to adjust the settings so it applies to all in LR2 so I don't have to keep going back and forth with LR2 and CS2? However, when I open it up into another viewing program, it still shows it to be the degraded image. What gives? :confused:


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Sep 07, 2009 21:43 |  #32

Don't know "Canon Utilities", but I do know that most Canon software on the Mac needs to be set to color manage (either set the correct display profile (DPP) or tell it to use color management).

Step 2 &3: You need to set either psd or tif. jpg only supports 8bpc:

IMAGE: http://img.skitch.com/20090908-8p6i1wdbcgjn5jbkmdfu7r8m48.jpg

Step 6: Must have missed that... Did the jpg images look the same in LR after importing? They should.

Step7: If the image looks different in PSCS2 (assuming that's what you mean with PS2) then in LR, then something is wrong. Never mind what it looks like in IE or Windows Picture and Fax viewer (XP). They are not color managed. They should look (very) different from PSCS2 and LR2 for the ProPhotoRGB image by the way. And slightly different (depending on monitor (profile) used) for the sRGB image.

What color settings in PSCS2? They should be identical to what Victoria posted.
Any warning dialogs pop up when opening the images (hint: There should be one) What did you do?

I have a hard time believing that in the screenshot you posted (with both jpg images opened in IE) one of the jpgs is in ProPhotoRGB.
It would look very different from the sRGB jpg then in IE.

You didn't convert them to sRGB (by default in PS for instance, by having the "policies" in the color settings set to "convert to working RGB"? Don't set that. Ever. Unless you have a very good reason.)

Your screenshots are also in sRGB by the way, which is not correct (unless you converted them). They should have your monitor profile embedded.

Both LR2 and PSCS2 "not working properly" sounds like user error to me.


Edit: Waitaminute. You are exporting from LR as a jpg, then opening in PSCS2, right? Now you make it sound as if you open the DNG through ACR....
Please be a bit less ambiguous.

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Sep 07, 2009 21:52 |  #33

René Damkot wrote in post #8602338 (external link)
Don't know "Canon Utilities", but I do know that most Canon software on the Mac needs to be set to color manage (either set the correct display profile (DPP) or tell it to use color management).

Step 2 &3: You need to set either psd or tif. jpg only supports 8bpc:

QUOTED IMAGE

Step 6: Must have missed that... Did the jpg images look the same in LR after importing? They should.

Step7: If the image looks different in PSCS2 (assuming that's what you mean with PS2) then in LR, then something is wrong. Never mind what it looks like in IE or Windows Picture and Fax viewer (XP). They are not color managed. They should look (very) different from PSCS2 and LR2 for the ProPhotoRGB image by the way. And slightly different (depending on monitor (profile) used) for the sRGB image.

What color settings in PSCS2? They should be identical to what Victoria posted.
Any warning dialogs pop up when opening the images (hint: There should be one) What did you do?

I have a hard time believing that in the screenshot you posted (with both jpg images opened in IE) one of the jpgs is in ProPhotoRGB.
It would look very different from the sRGB jpg then in IE.

You didn't convert them to sRGB (by default in PS for instance, by having the "policies" in the color settings set to "convert to working RGB"? Don't set that. Ever. Unless you have a very good reason.)

Your screenshots are also in sRGB by the way, which is not correct (unless you converted them). They should have your monitor profile embedded.

Both LR2 and PSCS2 "not working properly" sounds like user error to me.

Edit: Waitaminute. You are exporting from LR as a jpg, then opening in PSCS2, right? Now you make it sound as if you open the DNG through ACR....
Please be a bit less ambiguous.

I am trying to do a number of things to see where the problem lies whether it's with me saving the file like I am or if it's a color management issue... sorry, but yes, I tried to save it from LR2 exporting it as a .jpg like I have done in the past with no problems. However, I did try to save it as a .dng file and open it in CS2. I opened it in CS2 and it threw up a dialog box that said my color profile on the image didn't match and was showing it to be in Adobe RGB 1998 and gave me three options. I chose to override it and converted it to sRBG IEC61966-2.1. Now it shows up prefectly as I have edited it to. Question is, Do I have to do this for every image or is there a way to adjust the settings so it applies to all in LR2 so I don't have to keep going back and forth with LR2 and CS2? However, when I open it up into another viewing program, it still shows it to be the degraded image.


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Sep 07, 2009 22:01 |  #34

Night Hawk wrote in post #8602387 (external link)
I am trying to do a number of things to see where the problem lies whether it's with me saving the file like I am or if it's a color management issue... sorry, but yes, I tried to save it from LR2 exporting it as a .jpg like I have done in the past with no problems. However, I did try to save it as a .dng file and open it in CS2. I opened it in CS2 and it threw up a dialog box that said my color profile on the image didn't match and was showing it to be in Adobe RGB 1998 and gave me three options. I chose to override it and converted it to sRBG IEC61966-2.1. Now it shows up prefectly as I have edited it to. Question is, Do I have to do this for every image or is there a way to adjust the settings so it applies to all in LR2 so I don't have to keep going back and forth with LR2 and CS2? However, when I open it up into another viewing program, it still shows it to be the degraded image.

Well, if you didn't get that warning dialog with the jpg that was supposed to be ProPhotoRGB, then that jpg wasn't ProPhotoRGB, but sRGB (which appears to be your default working space in PS)

The other (exported) jpgs should also look the same in PSCS2 as in LR2, but I'm not sure how you exported them (since apparently you thought you'd set ProPhotoRGB)

Silly question maybe, but are you sure you are opening an exported jpg, and not for instance a jpg that's straight out of the camera? (If you shot Raw + jpg for instance)


You can set the output color space in ACR 3.7 in the bottom (Tick "Show workflow options"): (nevermind the arrow, it's an old screenshot)

IMAGE NOT FOUND
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Sep 07, 2009 22:12 |  #35

René Damkot wrote in post #8602455 (external link)
Well, if you didn't get that warning dialog with the jpg that was supposed to be ProPhotoRGB, then that jpg wasn't ProPhotoRGB, but sRGB (which appears to be your default working space in PS)

The other (exported) jpgs should also look the same in PSCS2 as in LR2, but I'm not sure how you exported them (since apparently you thought you'd set ProPhotoRGB)

Silly question maybe, but are you sure you are opening an exported jpg, and not for instance a jpg that's straight out of the camera? (If you shot Raw + jpg for instance)

You can set the output color space in ACR 3.7 in the bottom (Tick "Show workflow options"): (nevermind the arrow, it's an old screenshot)

IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 403 | MIME changed to 'application/xml'

I am 100% positive that I am not loading a .jpg as I only shoot in raw format. This is starting to be confusing and i'm starting to get a headache. Do you think it could be software related cause it is showing up fine in all of my viewing programs except for windows picture viewer. What is the most prefered viewer to view post edited images?


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Sep 08, 2009 06:21 |  #36

Night Hawk wrote in post #8602517 (external link)
I am 100% positive that I am not loading a .jpg as I only shoot in raw format. This is starting to be confusing and i'm starting to get a headache.

Take a deep breath.
Relax.
We'll get it sorted ;)
Work methodical... Go through all the steps Victoria mentioned again.

Night Hawk wrote in post #8602517 (external link)
Do you think it could be software related cause it is showing up fine in all of my viewing programs except for windows picture viewer. What is the most preferred viewer to view post edited images?

Now you have me confused... Last time you said:

Night Hawk wrote in post #8601760 (external link)
It doesnt matter if I am displaying it in internet explorer, it shows the same in whatever I view it in other than LR2.

So, which is it???

However, I don't think it's software related. I think that somehow the one jpg isn't Prophoto RGB. Otherwise you would have gotten the "Profile Mismatch" dialog box in PSCS2 when opening it (unless you altered the PSCS2 color settings somewhere in between):
(This one, with ProPhotoRGB for "Embedded" and probably "sRGB" for "Working")

IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 403 | MIME changed to 'application/xml'


Post the original ProPhotoRGB and sRGB jpgs here if you want.
(Yeah, I know ProPhotoRGB should never be used in 8bpc an all that, but this is for testing purposes ;))

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Sep 08, 2009 11:44 |  #37

Night Hawk wrote in post #8602387 (external link)
However, when I open it up into another viewing program, it still shows it to be the degraded image.

I think I know what the probblem is, there is a setting somewhere in LR where you have to check the box that says "show LR edits in other programs" or something like that.

Sorry but I'm drawing a blank on where it is:confused:


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Sep 08, 2009 11:52 |  #38

Cassie wrote in post #8605526 (external link)
I think I know what the probblem is, there is a setting somewhere in LR where you have to check the box that says "show LR edits in other programs" or something like that.

Sorry but I'm drawing a blank on where it is:confused:

Nope. That only means that LR will save settings to an XMP sidecar file, so that Bridge and ACR can see settings changed in LR.
Nothing whatsoever to do with the problem at hand.


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