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May 19, 2007 15:02 |  #1

I think the first one is a Ruddy Turnstone & the second is a Semipalmated Plover.
Could someone confirm these for me, thanks


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May 19, 2007 18:23 |  #2

Semipalmated Plover and Ringed Plover are notoriously difficult to seperate and I couldn't confidently do it from that shot - Basically where are you, if your America or thereabouts it is then a Semipalmated Plover.




  
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May 19, 2007 19:43 as a reply to  @ davewalters's post |  #3

Definitely right on the turnstone... not so sure about the plover. Where was the photo taken? It's not a breeding adult Semipalmated, anyway--could be a juvvie or nonbreeding adult Semipalmated, or perhaps a Piping, if we're talking North America, depending on the region and time of year taken.


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May 20, 2007 06:37 |  #4

exerda wrote in post #3233410 (external link)
Definitely right on the turnstone... not so sure about the plover. Where was the photo taken? It's not a breeding adult Semipalmated, anyway--could be a juvvie or nonbreeding adult Semipalmated, or perhaps a Piping, if we're talking North America, depending on the region and time of year taken.

Taken yesterday in the Caribbean




  
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May 20, 2007 15:24 |  #5

speirs2 wrote in post #3235153 (external link)
Taken yesterday in the Caribbean

Hmm... well, I've dug into both the National Geographic Complete Birds of North America and the Shorebird Guide (both of which have enough of vagrants and rare species listed I would have thought they might work for a Caribbean bird) and still don't have a definitive answer.

I'd expect if it were a Semipalmated, it would either have more black on the face and a more developed breast band (as an adult given the time of year) or would not have the yellow-orange legs and base of beak (as a juvvie). Still, that ID is probably the best at this point.

Likewise, the Piping is not a bird I'd expect to find there this time of year, though I bet there are year-round residents.

I've got to find my wife's Caribbean bird guide, which hasn't seen use since ID'ing a Magnificent Frigatebird and a Cuban Emerald Hummingbird in the Bahamas several years ago (before I was interested in bird photography). I'll post again if I have anything more!


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May 24, 2007 08:42 as a reply to  @ exerda's post |  #6

Here's what an ornithologist friend had to say about the plover; he thinks it is a semipalmated:

As far as the Caribbean plover, Semipalm sounds like the best bet. Every year some shorebirds, especially younger ones, spend the summer on the wintering grounds or somewhere along the migration route instead of heading all the way back north. Even though Pipings are paler, there is a lot of variation depending on molt and lighting, and Semis can looks pretty pale also.


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May 24, 2007 08:52 |  #7

I did mention that 5 days ago........




  
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May 24, 2007 14:17 as a reply to  @ davewalters's post |  #8

Thanks very much, i'll put it down as a semipalmated then.




  
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