May 21, 2007 18:30 | #1 I am thinking of getting one of these printers and was wondering if the ink cartridges are interchangable. I do mostly color and am leaning toward the R 1800 but haven't decided yet. I would jump on a referb deal from Epson on either one. I will have to live with whichever one I decide on for a few years so ink costs must be considered as well. Canon G1X II, 1D MKIV, 5DSR, 5DIV, 5D MKII, 16-35/2.8L II, 24-70/2.8L II, 70-200/2.8L IS II, IS, 100-400/4.5-5.6 L IS II, 500/4 L IS II, 24-105/4 IS, 50/2.5 macro, 1.4x MKII, 1.4X MKIII, 2X MKIII,580EX II, 550EXs(2), ST-E2.
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Westbeachbc Member 137 posts Joined Oct 2006 Location: Burnaby, BC More info | May 21, 2007 18:54 | #2 According to the Epson website, they don't share the same part # for ink cartridges. The R800 does use the same as R1800 though. Ken
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lostdoggy King Duffus  4,787 posts Joined Aug 2004 Location: Queens, NY More info | May 21, 2007 19:06 | #3 I believe the 2400 is pigment base and the 1800 is dye base ink.
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lostdoggy King Duffus 4,787 posts Joined Aug 2004 Location: Queens, NY More info | May 21, 2007 19:10 | #4 There is also a third choice from Epson and that is the model 1400 which is the new CLARIA dye base ink which will give you the advantage of fade resistance of pigment ink and vibrance of dye base ink and no chroming effect of pigment base ink.
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I also noticed that the R 1800 does 1.5 picoliter drops and the R 2400 does 3.5 picoliter drops. Is that significant? Canon G1X II, 1D MKIV, 5DSR, 5DIV, 5D MKII, 16-35/2.8L II, 24-70/2.8L II, 70-200/2.8L IS II, IS, 100-400/4.5-5.6 L IS II, 500/4 L IS II, 24-105/4 IS, 50/2.5 macro, 1.4x MKII, 1.4X MKIII, 2X MKIII,580EX II, 550EXs(2), ST-E2.
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lostdoggy King Duffus 4,787 posts Joined Aug 2004 Location: Queens, NY More info | May 21, 2007 20:17 | #6 If I remember correctly the 2400 uses 4 different shades of black ink for better B&W and 1800 uses a photo black and a matte black.
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JohnJ80 Cream of the Crop  5,442 posts Likes: 2 Joined Oct 2006 More info | May 21, 2007 20:43 | #7 lostdoggy wrote in post #3243820  I believe the 2400 is pigment base and the 1800 is dye base ink. This is incorrect. they are both pigment based inks. Obsessive Gear List
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sapearl Cream of the Crop  More info | May 21, 2007 20:50 | #8 Hi John - I have the R1800 also and have been very pleased with it so far other than the ridiculous costs of the ink carts. Do you have a link that shows how the CIS hooks up to the machine? Also, how does Mediastreet ink compare in longevity to the OEM Epson. JohnJ80 wrote in post #3244328 This is incorrect. they are both pigment based inks. The R2400 and R1800 are similar but the R2400 has more blacks and a different color set. Buy the R2400 if B+W is a big deal to you. ..........I own the R1800 and use it with Mediastreet inks in a CIS (highly recommended). The color is great, the cost is great and whole thing works great. Results are spectacular - vibrancy is not an issue IMO. J GEAR LIST
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JohnJ80 Cream of the Crop 5,442 posts Likes: 2 Joined Oct 2006 More info | May 21, 2007 21:23 | #9 Matter of fact I do:  Mediastreet has testing with this chemistry that they use in a number of their inks with the Wilhelm Research Institute. They have certified that the inks won't fade for more than 50 years (the extent that mediastreet paid to test it). I can't find the link but it is there if you search their website. That said, skeptic that I am, I devised my own test. I took a print on Ilford Galleria Smooth Pearl paper of both Epson ink and Mediastreet ink. I put them in my west facing office window that gets direct sunlight up to 9 hours a day in the summer. I covered half the prints with a book and traced the outline on the book with a permanent marker. After about one year (will be a year in July) there has been no fading and there is no discernible difference between the Epson inks and the Mediastreet inks. I have found that with custom profiles on my papers (I use Red River Polar Satin, Gloss and Matte), I like the results better than I did with the OEM inks on both the OEM papers and the Red River papers using OEM profiles on OEM inks either from Red RIver or from Epson. I presume, but did not waste the time, that custom profiles from my printer on the OEM paper with OEM inks would also be better. The cost of the Mediastreet inks is about $159 for 4 ozs that is equivalent to 8 cartridge sets from Epson. Even if you buy the epson carts at a discount (best I've found is Atlex), that is a huge savings (8*$11*8=$704 or a savings of $545!). Since I'm on my third set of inks from Mediastreet, that means I'm over $1500 ahead in one year. I'm not a big printer and I was using about $200 per month in epson cartridges before I switched over. Some say that this would impact the warranty - doubtful and it probably depends on the state in which you live. However, at this rate, I could buy a new printer and still have money left over on each set of bulk ink. I do a lot of big printing but it is sporadic - The size of the prints I do, would almost guarantee that I could not get through a print without having to change a cartridge. Then the printer goes through a cleaning cycle - wasting more ink - and I'd be running low on another quickly. This way, I never have a problem. Because I print sporadically - like mad for a week and then nothing for a month or more - I have the normal bubbles in the nozzles. I had it with the OEM carts and it is about the same with the CIS. Normal problems inherent in the technology. That said, the results I am getting have me tickled pink. I have been thrilled with the prints, the detail is amazing and they are good to go to hang on the wall. I'm a big fan of Mediastreet. They've been very good when I've had problems, they will do a custom profile for you for free (I have my own gear for that though), and they sell a quality product. J. Obsessive Gear List
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lostdoggy King Duffus 4,787 posts Joined Aug 2004 Location: Queens, NY More info | May 21, 2007 21:59 | #10 JohnJ80 wrote in post #3244328 This is incorrect. they are both pigment based inks. The R2400 and R1800 are similar but the R2400 has more blacks and a different color set. Buy the R2400 if B+W is a big deal to you. I believe the ink carts are physically interchangeable - but that is not the issue - the inks are different colors - IIRC, the R1800 has R,B,Cyan,Mag and the 2400 has Cyan, Lt Cyan, mag, light magenta or something like that - plus the different blacks. So if you interchanged them, your color gamut would be beyond goofy. I own the R1800 and use it with Mediastreet inks in a CIS (highly recommended). The color is great, the cost is great and whole thing works great. Results are spectacular - vibrancy is not an issue IMO. J I stand corrected!!! My apology!!!
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JohnJ80 Cream of the Crop 5,442 posts Likes: 2 Joined Oct 2006 More info | May 21, 2007 22:02 | #11 No worries. There are so many printers it is difficult to keep them all straight. Obsessive Gear List
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