Lightroom 1.1 Unofficially officially announced

Interesting post in the comments section by David Huss on that blog... he's says he's now finishing up a LR book for release in JULY... it will be a 1.1 book.... hmmm.

davidcrebelxt wrote in post #3251484
Anyone else notice that Scott Kelby's blog post has been edited, with much of the detail he included taken out?

Guessing the Adobe gestapo didn't like someone saying nice things about them.

Hmmmmm, wondering why they did that?? Perhaps because he's bound by a NDA. I guess it's a good thing that I'm not and I had already posted this info in this thread - post #17.

rfreschner wrote in post #3253601
Hmmmmm, wondering why they did that?? Perhaps because he's bound by a NDA. I guess it's a good thing that I'm not and I had already posted this info in this thread - post #17.

Funny... when you posted that, I thought to myself... why didn't he just link to that blog instead of quoting it in his post? Turns out, its nice that you did quote it.

davidcrebelxt wrote in post #3253948
why didn't he just link to that blog instead of quoting it in his post? Turns out, its nice that you did quote it.

Actually, it was because I hadn't seen Scott's before posting mine. I had gotten home from the seminar and saw that post on the possible announcement at SK's seminar and decided to respond. So, I actually think I beat Scott to it by a few hours! And, the great part is Adobe won't make me cut mine back!!

Just checked his blog again... some joker reposted everything he edited out in the comments section by copying and pasting from the google cache!

Hey Rick, you didn't happen to notice an checkboxes next to the keywords did you?

davidcrebelxt wrote in post #3264382
Hey Rick, you didn't happen to notice an checkboxes next to the keywords did you?

I already asked David!

Last night I spent some time (hours!) trying to reorg my LR tag streucture back to where it was in PSE3 Org. One of the most frustrating things is not being able to drag and drop a tag outside of the structure visible on the screen. What I mean is if I have a tag " Shoes" that I want to make a sub-category of "Cars" (for example lol), I have to drag it in stages up the screen, I can't take it to the edghe of the window and then havew the window scroll upwards... Very annoying!

EOSAddict wrote in post #3264416
I already asked David!

Last night I spent some time (hours!) trying to reorg my LR tag streucture back to where it was in PSE3 Org. One of the most frustrating things is not being able to drag and drop a tag outside of the structure visible on the screen. What I mean is if I have a tag " Shoes" that I want to make a sub-category of "Cars" (for example lol), I have to drag it in stages up the screen, I can't take it to the edghe of the window and then havew the window scroll upwards... Very annoying!

Yes, that is extremely annoying. Sometimes it scrolls, sometimes (mostly) it doesn't.

oops, my bad.

Yeah, I seem to remember that when I attemepted to do that also... this is one of the first applications I can remember that doesn't automatically scroll when you drag something to the top of its windows... bug maybe?

I'm debating whether to attempt to reimport my Elements catalog or not (I removed after having difficulties with LR.) But first I have several shoots that I want to finish tagging in Elements (then write the tags to files) before I do.

As far as new features go... spray can tagging seems interesting to me (I never saw the use of keyword stamper, myself.)

If I remember right, tagging didn't even exist in beta4 did it? I'm kinda hoping this was one of those features they tried to cram in at the last minute but never got the kinks worked out... so hopefully importing and respecting Elements heirarchy will be improved in the near future (that's why I'm still doing all my tagging/organizing in Elements... though maybe I'm being too hopeful.)

Honestly, the whole tagging/sorting mess really needs worked out the more I think about it. If we are forced to import into a database, we sure as well need all the tools they can give us to manage our images.

I can see why those who don't want to have to import at all are so frustrated... they're forced to import, and it doesn't make it any easier for them to organize/sort their images.

davidcrebelxt wrote in post #3264460
I can see why those who don't want to have to import at all are so frustrated... they're forced to import, and it doesn't make it any easier for them to organize/sort their images.

They are frustrated because they don't understand what a database is, they are so used to a file browser. But, if you use any program to sort/organize you have to have some file to remember those changes. For Lightroom it is a databse, for Bridge it is cache files. In order for Bridge to speed up you need to use distributed cache files which means that EVERY folder has cache files that can get deleted (there goes your sorting) or moved.

I feel for Adobe on this one. They have created a wonderful program that suits the needs of MOST, but, of course, not ALL will be satisfied. Which group will yell the most? The one thing that gets me is that they don't seem like they are listening to the masses, instead they are picking and choosing what they think is best. Every time someone mentions something they would like to see they are told "I doubt it!", or "Never happen!". One of the reasons I stopped going to their forums.

David,

Are you tagging RAW or JPG file sin PSE? If RAW, the tag structure will be imported, but the files willl not be tagged themselves, which is very annoying.

davidcrebelxt wrote in post #3264460
If I remember right, tagging didn't even exist in beta4 did it? I'm kinda hoping this was one of those features they tried to cram in at the last minute but never got the kinks worked out... so hopefully importing and respecting Elements heirarchy will be improved in the near future (that's why I'm still doing all my tagging/organizing in Elements... though maybe I'm being too hopeful.)

I can't remember if it was in beta 4 or not, but there was a lot of discussion about it on the beta forums and the Adobe engineers seemed genuinely interested in incorporating user suggestions into the product. As long as you present it to them in a constructive way they seem to respond.

As for the seminar, I don't think Tom even opened up the keyword panel. It's too bad he didn't let Scott use it for his presentation.

In2Photos wrote in post #3264509
Every time someone mentions something they would like to see they are told "I doubt it!", or "Never happen!". One of the reasons I stopped going to their forums.

But, was that an Adobe person that said that or just some user? Remember, there are only a couple of Adobe folks that respond to that forum, most are just users like you and I. Some more priveleged than others (like the beta testers), but just users none the less.

rfreschner wrote in post #3264771
But, was that an Adobe person that said that or just some user? Remember, there are only a couple of Adobe folks that respond to that forum, most are just users like you and I. Some more priveleged than others (like the beta testers), but just users none the less.

I know Jeff Schewe said those things a few times in the feature request section. Some things were off the wall but the soft-proofing (or lack thereof) gets rejected too. Jeff thinks we should all own wide format printers and print ourselves or just use sRGB.

In2Photos wrote in post #3264785
I know Jeff Schewe said those things a few times in the feature request section. Some things were off the wall but the soft-proofing (or lack thereof) gets rejected too. Jeff thinks we should all own wide format printers and print ourselves or just use sRGB.

Jeff can be really helpful or a pompous windbag depending on the mood he's in that day. He does have a lot of pull with Adobe though. Tom said the feeling of most of the LR team is that soft proofing is unnecessary. One of the areas of PS printing that most folks have the most problem with is color management so they're trying to make it as simplistic as possible. However, he didn't rule out the possibility of putting it in eventually.

rfreschner wrote in post #3264842
Jeff can be really helpful or a pompous windbag depending on the mood he's in that day. He does have a lot of pull with Adobe though. Tom said the feeling of most of the LR team is that soft proofing is unnecessary. One of the areas of PS printing that most folks have the most problem with is color management so they're trying to make it as simplistic as possible. However, he didn't rule out the possibility of putting it in eventually.

And this is what bothers me. Since some people have a hard time with color management the rest of us are left out to dry. But hey, we get new End Panels (or whatever the hell they call them).