Lr 1.1 getting an interesting 'stipple' effect with noise reduction?

Take a look at this shot, done first in 1.0 and next in 1.1:

http://www.flickr.com …m.gne?id=581647​389&size=o
http://www.flickr.com …m.gne?id=673997​857&size=o

Is it the noise reduction that is giving it that kinda intersting, kinda weird 'stipple effect?

Sam

Not quite sure what you mean by "stipple", Sam.

I have noticed that effect as well. Though it only occurs on high ISO images and have been discussed deeply over at the Adobe LR forum.

I'm not sure sure that i like the effect of the noise reduction to be honest. Though LR 1.1 handles noise better in general than 1.0 but this is a little "side effect" of it. Even if you turn the NR off you still will see some of this smearing effect and i do find it disturbing at times.

Bear in mind that most of this ripple/mosaic effect is more often than not shown when you look at at your images at 1:1. In your case you can see it very clearly even when not looking at 1:1 but i still think the second version looks just so much better.

You can check at this thread over at the Adobe forum for further reading http://www.adobeforums​.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bc44a00/75

Stippling is drawing with dots.
http://en.wikipedia.or​g/wiki/Stippling

Example:
http://www.tothepointd​esign.com/stippling_de​mo.htm

Thanks for the link Bollan

Kadath wrote in post #3469319
Stippling is drawing with dots.

Sam - thanks for the explanation.....

Bollan wrote in post #3466365
You can check at this thread over at the Adobe forum for further reading http://www.adobeforums​.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bc44a00/75

Bollan - thanks for the link - interesting discussion and Thomas Knoll piped in today with his 2 cents on the subject.

Camera raw makes all of my images look like that. I don't have that problem with Capture One.

Turning down the detail to around 10-12 reduces the effect. It looks like this code has come across from RawShooter which had the same problem

Mmm...I'm glad it's not just me noticing the effect. I've yet to see how it affects an image when it's printed though.

Watching this space.

Got exacately the same problem - I hate it, back on lightroom 1.0 because of it

I never had anything like this happen in RSP.

Kadath wrote in post #3473912
I never had anything like this happen in RSP.

In RSP it was a lot worse on shots taken with my old 300D, when I got the 30D the effect was more subtle. I think the LR1.1 defaults are a little heavy for high ISO shots but are OK for lower speeds. I've set my defaults to 50, 0.6, 12, 20 and it seems better.

I also have noticed this phenomenon...and I don't like it at all...I do not want to go back to 1.0 tho! I wish this was fixed or resolved somehow

The more i look at the "new" look of the LR 1.1 rendering the more i dislike it. The problem seems to be that many people in the Adobe camp defend the "new" look by all means.

If you read through the whole thread over at Adobe forum you can clearly see how many experienced pro's have posted loads of different images to prove this fact but the answer they get all the time is how much better 1.1 is anyway by the Adobe camp.

Lee Jay is defending the new version (no disrespect to him though as he does a fantastic job over at Adobe forum)and he posted some examples to prove his case that the 1.1 conversion looks much better than the 1.0. Funny enough most of the readers thought that the 1.0 versions of the images looked better.

So many of us have now a major decision to make. Turn back to LR 1.0 with all the performance flaws etc or just accept the "new" artificial look? The problem is when you get used to the excellent workflow in LR its hard to turn to anything else. Specially if you deal with large photo shoots or just large collections of images.

In my case i have now over 30K images (10K to finish PP on) with the new ripple/mosaic looking smear all over them and i just feel gutted when thinking what my next step should be. Unfortunately ACR 4.1 suffers from the same effect to some extent.

I dont know if one should wait for an update or go back to 1.0 or sit down and redraw the whole workflow once again? Confused and frustrated to say the least.

Bollan wrote in post #3480752
So many of us have now a major decision to make. Turn back to LR 1.0 with all the performance flaws etc or just accept the "new" artificial look?

Or you could use 1.1 wihtout any sharpening.

I haven't had the effect that you guys are showing but I can certainly understand how it would be a problem. I prefer the sharpening of 1.1 to that of 1.0 but I don't apply a lot of it either way.

In2Photos wrote in post #3480766
Or you could use 1.1 wihtout any sharpening.

Mike - Unless I've misunderstood everything I've read over at the Adobe forums, including Thomas Knoll's posts, the culprit is the default noise reduction in the demosaicing algorithms, not sharpening. The only way found so far by others to "turn this off" is to change the EXIF information on your high ISO shots to 100 and fool the algorithm.