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Jul 06, 2007 01:03 |  #1

OK then i am going to stsrt shooting in RAW there is no way that many of you could be wrong...
I am going to use Canon DPP for RAW PP..
Any basic newbie tips or advice or links please..
I have watched the turoriols but they are very broad.


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Jul 06, 2007 01:12 |  #2

Don't be afraid to play around with all the tools and toys. They are a bit confusing at first, but it's a good way to learn.

I'm using LR now, but learned a lot with DPP.

It's often been said on this forum that DPP is as good a RAW converter as any.


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Jul 06, 2007 04:30 |  #3

I second what Glenn said. Remember that you can always click on "Return to original settings" and start over. Even after you have saved new settings or made a conversion. Just please yourself. Trust your eye and judgement.

WB first, because it affects the white point. If there is a neutral grey object in the pic or a white that is not clipped, use the probe. Otherwise, set the WB to a preset that reflects the light source or to AWB and, if you want to, adjust it with Fine Tune. WB isn't holy, please your eye.
Select your Picture Style next, because it also has an affect on everything else.
Exposure (Brightness) will shift all of the histogram to the side. If you use it to move values to the right, check the predictive RGB histogram (on the RGB tab) to be sure you aren't clipping one of the channels. You can also set the white point by pulling the right margin of the RAW histogram inward. This leaves the black point unchanged and stretches the histogram to the right and may cause less noise in the shadows.
Contrast is done with an S-curve so theoretically it shouldn't change white and black points, but it can sometimes push values that lie near the end points too far, so again keep your eye on the RGB histogram.
Color and sharpness really depend on your taste, but if you are planning to do further editing in another application or to resize the image, do only a bit of sharpening because you will need to do more later.
RGB tab - try the Auto-Enhancement, see what curve it suggests and then try designing your own.

Remember, there are no rules and no right and wrong. RAW is all about doing your own thing.


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Jul 06, 2007 05:55 |  #4

Glenn NK wrote in post #3495431 (external link)
Don't be afraid to play around with all the tools and toys. They are a bit confusing at first, but it's a good way to learn.

I'm using LR now, but learned a lot with DPP.

It's often been said on this forum that DPP is as good a RAW converter as any.

Words, mouth, out of.

Have been using DPP since Oct last year. After some tentative playing around for a week I got the hang of it. It still produces excellent results and I prefer to do main PP in this, before tuning it in LR.

I'm a fan of DPP since version 2 came out and stand by it as a good tool - very good in some ways if you look at processing power, quality of achievable result and low computing overhead (doesn't need that much RAM etc).


Similarly, it's fairly simple to grasp and once you get the hang of it (shouldn't be long - I found it quite easy to pick up) you'll see how effective it can be.

Generally start at the top of the RAW panel, work your way down, then switch to the RGB panel for further tuning of the colour channels, then apply NR. Give yourself a week, try out each setting - if it's a slider, set it 2/3 up and 2/3 down to see exactly the effect it has on the type of photography you do. Similarly play with the colour curves: select each colour channel in turn and click the centre so you create a point there - then click & drag the curve at the half way intersection above & below the centre, this will give you an idea about how the curves affect your image.

Because it is non-destructive your original image stays intact.

Sorry, no more 'specifics' other than play, play, play!

Enjoy.


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Jul 06, 2007 11:59 |  #5

Perhaps the biggest drawback to DPP is the lack of thorough documentation and other sources of help.

Even new software like LR has countless sources of help in the form of books, videos, and tips. If DPP had this, I likely still be using it.

For Photoshop, the availability is overwhelming.


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Jul 06, 2007 12:35 |  #6

then apply NR.

where is the noise reduction on DPP? and what tweaking adds noise? i've been having newbie problems, feeling like my tweaking adds a lot of noise.


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Jul 06, 2007 13:12 |  #7

lookingforaname wrote in post #3497780 (external link)
where is the noise reduction on DPP? and what tweaking adds noise? i've been having newbie problems, feeling like my tweaking adds a lot of noise.

The major culprit in causing noise is trying to correct underexposure by increasing Brightness/Exposure. Sharpening can also make noise more visible.

The NR is on the third tab of the Tool Palette in DPP 3.0 and in the Preferences in DPP 2.0.


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Jul 06, 2007 14:13 |  #8

thanks for answering!


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Jul 06, 2007 15:26 |  #9

Thanks for that everyone.
Now at least i don't feel like i am going on blind 'just short sighted"
Tzalman.Great short tutorial just what i wanted thanks for taking the time...
Cheers.
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Jul 06, 2007 22:35 |  #10

Glenn NK wrote in post #3497593 (external link)
Perhaps the biggest drawback to DPP is the lack of thorough documentation and other sources of help.

Even new software like LR has countless sources of help in the form of books, videos, and tips. If DPP had this, I likely still be using it.

For Photoshop, the availability is overwhelming.

Glenn,

I've only gone digital since March of 07 and use DPP to process my RAW's.
It seems like a pretty straight-forward program with a full "Help" menu (F1)

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And Canon has a bunch of video tutorials here:

http://www.usa.canon.c​om/content/dpp2/index.​html (external link)

What kind of documentation do you feel is lacking?

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Jul 07, 2007 15:46 |  #11

Yes there is an extensive help menu with a lot of possible options and combinations.
The advcie i have received here will expediate my learning and it is very much appreciated.


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Jul 07, 2007 23:38 as a reply to  @ rooeey's post |  #12

My experience is that DPP has a very easy learning curve.


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Jul 10, 2007 15:59 |  #13

dekalbSTEEL wrote in post #3500537 (external link)
Glenn,

And Canon has a bunch of video tutorials here:

http://www.usa.canon.c​om/content/dpp2/index.​html (external link)

Jon

DPP is rather amazing in it's simplicity and ease of use ONCE you've sat through the video tutorials. They are ESSENTIAL to understanding DPP workflow. I truly can't imagine using it without having sat through the vids. The vids are easy to sit through and are VERY helpful...ok - essential.


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