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Jul 13, 2007 22:29 |  #1

This is a continuation of my prior Bigma vs 100-400 mini-review. All shots are hand-held, and this time around, I shot both lenses at the far ends, so the 100-400 is at 5.6@400mm and the Bigma is at 6.3@500mm, which has an impact on the results. But this test is to see how each behaves at their longest zoom with the 3x, not how they work at 400mm each.

The TC is the Kenko Pro DG 3x, and is just as nice as its 1.4x smaller sibling. I taped the pins, but this time around I could not get AF to work on either 100-400, unlike the 1.4x. Basically this TC will restrict you to manual focus. This leads me to the following observations:

Bigma Observations

There are two factors that make the Bigma not work very well with the TC, yielding fewer keeper photos, unlike the 1.4x TC:

1) Since the Bigma is already heavier than the 100-400, per my review, adding 3 inches to the length of the lens, simply physics and angular force means the Bigma feels even heavier now. This means you have to hold it farther down the lens to be comfortable.

2) The focus ring is toward the back of the lens, making it ackward to focus since you have to hold the lens with your hand farther away from you, but still manipulate the focus ring that is still pretty close to you with a outstretched thumb.

This means that it is very difficult to get a clear shot with this lens. You can see that in the following shots, it was too ackward and heavy to really handle this combination.

100-400 Observations

1) The lens feels much lighter than the Bigma now with the TC on it.

2) The focus ring is at the end of the lens where you would hold it, making it very handy to manually focus, I was able to manually focus about twice as fast with this lens.

3) Halfpress the shutter to lock exposure but also to activate the IS means you can manually focus that much quicker and more accurately. Of course I have the custom function turned on to use AE lock as focus.

This means that this lens works much better and easier with the TC on it, yielding pictures with better IQ due to the overall package being easier to focus and handle.

This now tips the scales of which lens I want to keep in favor of the 100-400. Before with just lens to lens without the 1.4x, they both had pros and cons, but the versatility edged the Bigma out over the 100-400. Adding the 1.4x allowed both lens to autofocus, but the 100-400 focused more often with a minor amount of less hunting, evening the scale between the two lenses.

I still need to look at the normal set of photos I would ever take during everyday activities and decide which lens and its capabilities come into play in those situations. Both lenses are really spectacular for the money, one has IS and is L, and the other has more versatility and longer reach, both with very good IQ, provided you didn't end up with a soft Sigma that would need sent in to be calibrated.

Here are the two test photos at 50mm with the Bigma to show what I focused on. One is the utilities tag and the other is the hot tub warning label.


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Jul 13, 2007 22:30 |  #2

Here are the Bigma then the 100-400 shots on the utilities tag. You can see the strain and shake I had on the Sigma, no IS and handheld really makes this a difficult combo. IS really helps with the 100-400, clears up the text very well, and the ease of use makes manual focus on the sweet spot easier to find.


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Jul 13, 2007 22:31 |  #3

Here are the Bigma then the 100-400 shots on the hot tub warning label.


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Jul 13, 2007 22:44 |  #4

I am positively stunned, STUNNED I say at the sharpness of the 100-400mm with this monster T-Con mounted,. the text is clear and sharp,
Amazing results.

I do not believe I have seen any images from this unique TC anywhere before. If they are this clear from f/16+ on the 100-400mm zoom, I can imagine some very useful shots from a 500mm @ f/12
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Jul 13, 2007 23:03 |  #5

Yes, I was too, especially at how fast I was able to focus those in. The Bigma has the IQ that would get it close to the 100-400, but it was just too ackward and heavy, with no IS. The weight difference and placement of the focus ring is 100% in the court of the 100-400. Very manageable. I think I actually started to lose patience with the Bigma in moving the ring around (which is also much stiffer than the 100-400) in order to find the sweet focus point. IS on the 100-400 really came into play here as well.

To put this all into perspective, on a crop body, the 100-400 is a 1.6 x 400 x 3 = equiv fov of 1920mm, the Bigma was at 2400.

Just add a 1.4x to it and you have a ton of reach, if it is even possible or useful. Then it looks like this below!


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Jul 13, 2007 23:12 |  #6

Very interesting results!

Were those 100% crops?

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Jul 13, 2007 23:17 |  #7

No, these are not, I cropped out the same section of the photo each, but not at 100%, then sized about 50% to 700px. I think these are roughly 200% crop.

Here is a 100% crop from the utilities tag on the 100-400. Very usuable at normal print resolutions and sizes. Had to compress this during a save at level 7.


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Jul 13, 2007 23:21 |  #8

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No, these are not, I cropped out the same section of the photo each, but not at 100%, then sized about 50% to 700px. I think these are roughly 200% crop.

Thanks for the quick reply. Looks like the IQ is holding up with the 3x.

Is it possible to see 100% crops (crops at 100% view)? I'm trying to compare it with stacked 2x/1.4x TCs (effectively 2.8x).

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Thanks for the subsequent posting of the 100% crop, I've not seen it when I was typing the above post.

Offhand, I'd say the IQ is not far off a stacked 2x+ 1.4x TC.


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Jul 13, 2007 23:35 |  #9

Post updated above with 100%. Also found this shot of a robin shot with this 100-400 3x TC combo, couldn't get it to stay around to test the Bigma at the same time. Not as sharp as I had hoped, but okay for a bird on the move on the ground.


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Jul 14, 2007 07:55 |  #10

Okay, just for fun, I stacked the 100-400 to the 3x then to the 1.4x for a total fov of 2688mm. I don't suggest ever doing this unless you have tons of patience or are just plain bored.

1) It now has the same problem as the Bigma for me, it just feels heavy, it must be that extra 3/4" or so starts to have an impact on the stability of my arm, each person will have a different limit.

2) IS starts to be deficient in helping steady the shot, it obviously helps, but you will still have shake.

3) Viewfinder is too dark, you have to set your focus distance close to where you want to focus to just see anything.

4) IQ with stacked TC really starts to drop off.

But if you are in a bind, and wanted to get a shot that might USM and print well enough for a 4x6, it is a viable option. The two below are very compressed. I had a much nicer robin with his beetle shot, but I only got part of his head and body in the frame, it was too much reach for where he flew down to pose for me.

Looking at these show that I still missed focus (a little front focused), but since the 30D viewfinder was dark, it is hard to know exactly where focus is.


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Jul 14, 2007 09:02 |  #11

Tried a bird in flight, went about as well as I expected considering I am horrible at tracking with a normal configuration... on top of that had to manually focus with a 2ft lens that has a 3x and 1.4x stacked TCs on it, yeech...


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Jul 14, 2007 09:07 |  #12

Sounds like a lot of the problems revolve around being handheld. How about using a tripod? Some of us would like to see the results.


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Jul 14, 2007 09:11 |  #13

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Sounds like a lot of the problems revolve around being handheld. How about using a tripod? Some of us would like to see the results.

I have a cheapie tripod I could dig out and try, it came free with a camcorder purchase years ago. It might be later this weekend where I can try this, I have a ton of pics to process for my church, a video to make, a festival to go to, and to get out on the bike and make a few 150+mph spurts. So if I make it through all of this, I can try some tripod shots. Two houses down has a bird feeder, it might make a good subject for tripod tests.


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Jul 14, 2007 09:11 |  #14

Here is a gull in flight, still learning this 100-400mm beast!


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Jul 14, 2007 09:13 |  #15

TeamSpeed,
Interesting comparison :)
If you wouldn't mind try a similar test except with both shots taken from a tripod with mirror lockup and show 100% crops. As this method would give us viewers a true comparison under perfect conditions :)

Ahh.. I see you will, of course when you have the time :)


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