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Curly
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Jul 13, 2007 23:52 |  #1

Hi Guys,
I some what of a newbie to the Digital SLR world, for that matter Photography in general but I have found I absolutely love it. Photographing our Local Little League has become somewhat of a passion. The parents love me being out there and have even offered money for some of my shots (I have a day job and intend to keep it)

Question: I have been lucky enough to be able to use my fathers 75-300mm lens with my Canon XT but now feel it's time to move up. Two lens's grabbed my attention after some serious reading. The 70-200 f2.8 IS or the 100-400 f4.5-5.6 is. I'm leaning toward the 70-200mm f2.8. Any input would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance.

After spending some time on the site and looking at all the pics here I am almost scared to post mine but hey I want to learn and improve so critique away.

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Jul 14, 2007 03:43 |  #2

Love the facial expressions in #5!

Nice work.:)


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Jul 14, 2007 06:33 |  #3

great shots. I would recommend the catcher keeps his eyes open if he wants to catch the ball! :D :D :D


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Jul 14, 2007 07:54 |  #4

Nothing wrong with these shots. You might reconsider selling them. I have a small white tent I set up, with a photo display stand. The 4x6's sell for $3 each. I usually sell about 70% of what I print. I also display larger collages and get quite a few orders from them. I shoot one day then processs and print to dispay the next.




  
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Jul 14, 2007 10:01 |  #5

simonSE15 wrote in post #3542781 (external link)
great shots. I would recommend the catcher keeps his eyes open if he wants to catch the ball! :D :D :D

Actually in that shot (#4) the umpire took the sixty five mile an hour fast ball right to the head (Mastoid Bone? Behind ear) sent him to his knees and produced some tears.

His been out for last two games.




  
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Jul 14, 2007 11:48 |  #6

No worries man, some very good shots. The only advise I have is to watch your horizons. Some of them are tilted. If you miss it on the set up, easy to correct in pp.
I have both the lenses you are looking at and my choice would be the 70-200 f/2.8. The 100-400 is really to long for little league, you would be at the short end a majority of the time and if the sunlight fades you are in trouble. The 70-200 is in every sport shooters bag because of the speed and boketh. You have some very busy backgrounds in your photos and by shooting at f/2.8 it would help blur them out some. Good luck and keep clicking away

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Jul 14, 2007 14:47 |  #7

I would go with the 70-200 f/2.8 without question. While you might be able to get by with the 100-400 on bright days, you will quickly be forced into pushing up your ISO on even a cloudy day and will be putting it back in your bag as it approaches dusk due to the inability to get a fast enough shutter speed.

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Jul 14, 2007 15:16 |  #8

Have to second the Vet above - go with the 70-200 so you can shoot wide open at f/2.8 This will help you clean up the backgrounds and also shoot later into the evening

tighter crop on pitcher would be better - and think about shooting the pitcher from his throwing side - gives you more options

Good shots - you can get more than $3 for themround here $4 to 5 is the "norm"

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Jul 17, 2007 10:11 |  #9

Byuphoto wrote in post #3542944 (external link)
Nothing wrong with these shots. You might reconsider selling them. I have a small white tent I set up, with a photo display stand. The 4x6's sell for $3 each. I usually sell about 70% of what I print. I also display larger collages and get quite a few orders from them. I shoot one day then processs and print to dispay the next.


Question: I have been approached by several parents that want the "digital negative". Where do you stand on this? And if the answer is no , how do you handle this?




  
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Jul 17, 2007 12:01 |  #10

Curly wrote in post #3560304 (external link)
Question: I have been approached by several parents that want the "digital negative". Where do you stand on this? And if the answer is no , how do you handle this?

This is a common question, and just because the medium is a digital file instead of a film negative, how you answer this question should not change.

Bottom line is if you give someone the full size file they can make as many prints from it as they would like. If you are someone who charges for your work (that is an entirely different discussion), there are many factors to take into consideration. For example, my average order for little league photos is somewhere around $30 (I charge $6 for a 4"x6", $10 for a 5"x7", etc.). So, if I sell the digital file I can pretty much guarentee that I will never sell any prints of that file again. So, I may charge $25-$30 for the digital file (btw, I do not currently offer to sell the digital files, but I may rethink that for next season). I know I have paid similar prices to purchase the digital file from the company that shoots photos of my children when they were in pre-school. Their pricing was I believe $25 per file if I also purchased a package of prints, or $30-$35 if I just purchased the negative w/o ordering a package.

One other quick thing when deciding how much to charge for prints. I charge $6 for a 4"x6", and many people might think "but it only costs like 19 cents to make 4"x6" prints at Sam's Club." This is true, but I read a quote once that said something to the effect of "I am not selling the paper, I am selling my skills as a photographer to capture the image."

Not sure if this helps you or not, but feel free to contact me offline should you have any questions about what I wrote above.


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Jul 17, 2007 21:21 as a reply to  @ SportsOnFilm's post |  #11

Looks like you did well for your first outing.

Here are my thoughts:

1: Crop tighter and vertical.

2: I agree about shooting pitchers from their open side (RHP from 3rd base, LHP's from 1st). Also, you might want to think about a little exposure compensation to lighten the shadows under the bill of the cap.

3: Doesn't do anything for me. A runner sliding into a base - where's the ball? Why is this an important play? Also, sliding plays are best (as are all shots) when we can see the runner's face.

4: Only interesting because the ball hit the ump. Otherwise, nothing worth shooting.

5: The runner is a little soft, but the fielder is way out of focus. Also, where is the ball?
Here's a comment that applies to several of your shots: the background is way too cluttered. Yeah, I know, you can't move the rail cars...but you usually can move yourself. When you choose a shooting location, don't forget to look at backgrounds. Your EXIF shows (1/800s f/10.0 ISO400 125mm Shutter Priority). Shoot as wide open as you can to blur the backgrounds. f/10 is WAY too small and results in all that nonsense in the background being too close to being in focus.

Also, shoot aperture priority, not shutter priority.

Re-read my last sentence, then read it again.

6: Nice expressions.

7: Nice smile, and you got good and low. Did something of note happen on this play?

When parents buy pictures, they want sharp faces of their kids above all else. We have no problem selling our 4x6's for $8, BTW even though Costco only charges $.16 to print them. When a shot is clearly a professionally-captured photograph, people never question paying this amount.

Once you start taking money for shooting, though, things get a LOT more complicated for you and for the parents. Their expectations go up, and you end up putting pressure on yourself that isn't there now. Just be sure you know what you're getting into. Also, when you step on a field, you are assuming a TON of liability, and despite what you may read from some on this forum, you need to be aware of this. Take it from somebody who knows of shooters who have almost lost it all because of something happening involving them on the field. I would also strongly suggest you contact the League Administrator to get permission to not only shoot, but to sell, and get this permission in writing.

You might want to consider the Sigma 20-700 f/2.8 lens. It's almost the same quality as the Canon L version, and is several hundred $$$ cheaper (As far as the Canon version of this lens goes, the IS adds nothing to your capabilities for sports photography, and adds hundreds of dollars to the price tag). During the day, you can add a 1.4X TC for more reach if you want. FWIW, I regularly shoot Little League with a 400mm prime, and only rarely find it too long (I carry a 70-200, sometimes on a second body, sometimes to swap out).

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