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Jul 15, 2007 11:54 |  #1

See link. http://www.reuters.com …AndPR/idUST1402​2720070715 (external link)
Can you just imagine the impact this will have for compact camera owners? ;)
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Jul 15, 2007 13:28 |  #2

I have no idea. Are CMOS sensors better?




  
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Jul 15, 2007 13:31 |  #3

Canon will either pocket the money from the production savings, or blow the market out of the water with lower prices. Hopefully the latter because I still want to get a little compact but I want a good one dirt dirt cheap. :D


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Jul 15, 2007 13:49 |  #4

eccles wrote in post #3548908 (external link)
I have no idea. Are CMOS sensors better?

Complimentary Metal Oxide Semicondutor are the same sensors that have given Canon DSLR's the distinct advantage over the competition, and compact cameras with regards to clean iso, and superior all around performance. Talk about upping the ante. ;)
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Jul 16, 2007 09:59 |  #5

this will get interesting fast!


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Jul 16, 2007 10:27 |  #6

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #3554067 (external link)
this will get interesting fast!

I thought so. After they actually produce, and ship these (whatever they'll be called), the line between DSLR & Compact cameras will be a lot smaller.
Can you just imagine a G or similar series camera with a better IQ (image quality) than the competitions DSLR's? :shock: :lol:
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Jul 17, 2007 02:23 |  #7

I cant see it making much difference to ISO noise, whether it be CMOS or what, I thought it was all about the size of the sensor, compacts have very small sensors & this is why most are no good at high ISO's.

I would love a compact that can do wide angle to telephoto, be as sharp as a professional level DSLR & have low noise, but I cant see it happening anytime soon, Canon using CMOS sensors will probably be more of a production issue for them, it would be nice to think they would pass on any savings but I doubt if they will, would you? cant blaim em really, but it would keep them in the running, enabling them to just be that little bit more competative over Nikon, Pentax etc..

Sometimes I miss my Canon Pro1 but then when I use my current setup I dont, but as far as competing with a DSLR or even exceeding it, nope I cant see that happening, it would destroy DSLR sales if it did, you would suddenly see paparazzi with tiny little compacts, but there is a good reason why you dont, simply sheer speed & quality.. compacts do have their uses though.

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Jul 17, 2007 12:23 as a reply to  @ Nick_C's post |  #8

Also, sensor or not, the glass your shooting through makes a big difference as well.




  
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Jul 17, 2007 13:22 |  #9

CMOS are widely used in modern electronics, not only in Image Sensors:
CMOS stands for Complementary-symmetry Metal Oxide Semiconductor
There are millions of light sensitive CMOS detectors inside an Image Sensor.

But you brought good news to us Ballen Photo because "Important characteristics of CMOS devices are high noise immunity and low static power supply drain...", and we P&S users can guess that from the Canon Sensors of the DSLRs working at high ISO :)


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Jul 17, 2007 13:40 |  #10

rpolitsr wrote in post #3561252 (external link)
CMOS are widely used in modern electronics, not only in Image Sensors:
CMOS stands for Complementary-symmetry Metal Oxide Semiconductor
There are millions of light sensitive CMOS detectors inside an Image Sensor.

But you brought good news to us Ballen Photo because "Important characteristics of CMOS devices are high noise immunity and low static power supply drain...", and we P&S users can guess that from the Canon Sensors of the DSLRs working at high ISO :)

And thank You Rafael for posting the correct meaning of CMOS. (Missed it by "that" much.) :lol: I have now corrected my post to reflect that. :oops:
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Jul 17, 2007 13:57 |  #11

A larger sensor would also help to raise the quality.
Even a G series sensor is too small.
A 4/3rds sensor would be about ideal.


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Jul 17, 2007 15:00 |  #12

Terrywoodenpic wrote in post #3561450 (external link)
A larger sensor would also help to raise the quality.

Yes, A larger sensor would be nice, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that one. Having said that, A FF sensor in a compact would be really nice. The price I'm sure, would "not" be so nice. We'll have to wait and see where they go with this. Canon is known for letting just enough news slip out to keep the public in suspense. ;)
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Jul 17, 2007 15:06 |  #13

Terrywoodenpic wrote in post #3561450 (external link)
A larger sensor would also help to raise the quality.

Introducing the all-new full frame sensor Canon Powershot A990. With an MSRP of only $1299.


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Jul 17, 2007 15:30 |  #14

I think you guys are putting way too much importance into the CMOS technology. CMOS has advantages, but noise is not one of them. The Foveon chip as well as many mobile phones use CMOS sensors because they are very low in power consumption, very fast and sensitive, and dirt cheap to manufacture. But CCD as a technology is less noisy but uses more power which translates to more heat which translates to more noise. Canon clearly has a handle on the noise issue not by the fact that they use CMOS, but that they understand the noise signature and have supporting on chip noise reduction as well as software noise reduction techniques which are clearly world class. Where the P/S and compact market will benefit is on power consumption and if Canon imports their noise management hardware as well, then better noise control at faster speeds as well. BTW, there are other CMOS based cameras out there, Nikons Dx2 and Dx2s, Sony’s DSC-R1, and Kodak has also announced that it will bring out a line of CMOS based cameras by the holidays months ago. There are also a couple of other technologies out there like Nikons JFET and Olympus NMOS sensors.


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Jul 17, 2007 16:32 |  #15

gj711, I was just about to say that. CMOS's real advantage is money. The noise aspect is done through the DIGIC chip, which processes the image and uses an algorithm to remove noise. Further reading of the article brings the true intent and focus, Canon decides to build the bigger factory to manufacture more CMOS chips so that it can replace CCD's that are purchased from another manufacturer, so Canon can maximize profits...Guys this is all for Canon's glory... LOL


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