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Jun 14, 2004 21:45 |  #1
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thedude wrote:
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Was this picture taken with a digital then converted to b/w, or scanned from a b/w picture?

It looks very nice either way. I am buying my first serious camera soon and have been somewhat put off by the fact that my chosen camera (300d) won't do in-camera b/w. If this is the result of PS manipulation, I have nothing to worry about. (other than learning how to take pictures!) :lol:

I am a complete photography idiot, but I like the way this picture reminds me of 1950's photography. The sharpness of B/W appeals to me.

Thanks!

Once you learn the proper way to do PS b&w's then you will be in bliss.

When i first got my 300D and tried doing B&W i would just grayscale it. It gets the job done, but does not do a very good job at it.

It has taken me a few months to get B&W's such as this:

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But the differences once you learn, are huge as seen here.

This taken directly to grayscale from color:
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And this taken and using the treatment that i will describe in a second:
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So how do i do it?

Load the image up to PS, apply whatever cropping USM and what not you need to.

For later refrence i sometimes dublicate the image.

I then go back to the original and create a hue and saturation layer:


The hue/saturation menu will come up, you'll simply click OK for now without adjusting anything.

For this first one (you'll be making two hue/saturation layers) you want to select "color" mode


You will then create the second hue/saturation layer. This time when the hue/saturation menu comes up you'll want to completely desaturate the image by sliding the saturation slider all the way to the left.


You will then double click on that first hue/saturation layer you created (which is now in the middle of the three layers). Double clicking again causes the hue/saturation menu to pop up. This time you'll want to adjust the hue slider. Where you leave it depends on personal taste. But prepair to be amazed.

Once you are satisfied with your new B&W treatment of this photo you'll want to flatten the image to keep the size down.

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Jun 15, 2004 07:40 |  #2

timmyquest wrote:
Once you learn the proper way to do PS b&w's then you will be in bliss.

Nice demo Timmy. Have you applied for your NAPP (external link) membership (student discount). :lol:

The very first image in the sequence is especially well done. Must be your girlfriend if you worked on it for 2 months. :shock:


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Jun 15, 2004 07:50 |  #3

This is definitely good stuff Timmy.

Please add it to the Post Processing Tutorials List

EDIT: OK, don't bother adding it - CDS was in the process of doing so as I was typing this.


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Jun 15, 2004 08:05 |  #4

Yeah.. I noticed a day had past.. :) :wink:

Great job on this Tutorial!


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No problem guys...obviously i cant take credit for the process but even i (who have read the site) cant find the website with this info on it. So i figured i'd put it here.


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Jun 15, 2004 14:02 |  #6

Timmyquest-

Thank you VERY much for taking the time to explain this. I was just using the 'convert to grayscale' method for obtaining b/w and to be honest, thought that it looked fine. However, seeing your comparison, you can clearly see the difference.

I'll have to play with it some as I am using PSP, but I'm sure that the directions can't differ that much. Maybe if I get it down right, I can post an addendum to your tutorial with directions in PSP.

THANKS AGAIN!!!




  
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I was just using the 'convert to grayscale' method for obtaining b/w and to be honest, thought that it looked fine

I think most of us have been there. I sure know i was at one time.


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Jun 16, 2004 03:42 |  #8

I will try this out when I get home! Excited! :)


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Jun 16, 2004 04:45 |  #9

timmyquest wrote:
i (who have read the site) cant find the website with this info on it.

http://www.russellbrow​n.com/tips/pdf/colorto​B&W.pdf (external link)


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Jun 17, 2004 05:55 |  #10
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Learning Gallery for "Making a Digital B&W Fine Art Image
http://www.thelightsri​ght.com …B&WFineArt/B&WF​ineArt.htm (external link)

Tutorials
http://www.thelightsri​ght.com …akingAFineArtB&​WImage.pdf (external link)
http://www.thelightsri​ght.com …hannelsForImpro​vedB&W.pdf (external link)
http://www.thelightsri​ght.com …oYourMonochrome​Images.pdf (external link)

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http://www.thelightsri​ght.com …ools/TLRB&WConv​ersion.htm (external link)
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Jun 24, 2004 15:58 |  #11

hmmm. for mine i take the image and convert it to grayscale then use a curve adjustment layer for the exposure. twas the way i was taught by my professor :]. it's essentially the same as desaturating and changing the hue/sturation for contrast. i like it because it's more visual and i'm a more visual guy i guess.


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Jun 25, 2004 01:38 |  #12

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I see an advantage in Timmy's method in that he first perfects the image with ALL the pixel info and then pulls the color.

I don't think the pixel behavior is the same if you first remove the color and then process the remainder.


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Jun 25, 2004 10:22 |  #13

Thanks Timmy! Just last night I was trying to convert a shot to b&w and I got it looking "ok", but it could have been better. I'm trying this method when I get home. :D Also, thanks Mitch for the links!




  
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Thanks for the links guys.

The video is obviously where i learned how to do it but he's so sarcastic i found it rather annoying to watch lol.


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Jun 28, 2004 01:27 |  #15

timmyquest wrote:
The video is obviously where i learned how to do it but he's so sarcastic i found it rather annoying to watch lol.

Me too! I managed 5 mins and then had to turn it off. The pdf isn't as detailed but at least it prevented me sticking a brick through the screen.


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