DPP Colors in ACR & Lightroom

Just a question...

Would anybody be interested in a set of presets to emulate DPP colors in ACR & Lightroom?

sure! we have had a lot of talk over in the PA section about this.

Anything that makes 'em useable

harrymilker wrote in post #3565546
Just a question...

Would anybody be interested in a set of presets to emulate DPP colors in ACR & Lightroom?

What? And miss out on DPP's ugly UI?
Hey, it can take hours to get the color in ACR to emulate DPP....then I'd miss out of on the Zen of it all.

ah screw Zen. I'd have more time to shoot. I'd be interested in these presets.

Sure... but from what I understand it may be nearly impossible to do.

Apparently DPP can read canon's proprietary information, and change settings based on shooting conditions (ISO, exposure, etc).

Even a default preset in ACR won't be able to get it right for all conditions.

That said, from my experience ANY preset does better than the awful ACR conversion. I can't believe how Adobe denies there is anything wrong with their camera profiling, or that they haven't found a way to make it any better.

Every time I get frustrated with ACR/LR's color representation, I shoot off an email to Canon asking them to PLEASE PLEASE share the information that would allow Adobe to accurately represent the colors... I think they are making a big mistake by not sharing that information.

davidcrebelxt wrote in post #3567389
Sure... but from what I understand it may be nearly impossible to do.

Apparently DPP can read canon's proprietary information, and change settings based on shooting conditions (ISO, exposure, etc).

Even a default preset in ACR won't be able to get it right for all conditions.

That said, from my experience ANY preset does better than the awful ACR conversion. I can't believe how Adobe denies there is anything wrong with their camera profiling, or that they haven't found a way to make it any better.

Every time I get frustrated with ACR/LR's color representation, I shoot off an email to Canon asking them to PLEASE PLEASE share the information that would allow Adobe to accurately represent the colors... I think they are making a big mistake by not sharing that information.

David, did you try posting a thread on Adobe's ACR product forum There have been a few high-level threads on similar topics there. A few people complaining about how ACR treats Canon (and other canera company) RAWS with respect to noise reduction on files shot at higher ISO. I think Adobe takes seriously the posts that appear on their product forum. Many of them garner responses from CS3/ACR programmers like Jeff Schewe.

philmar wrote in post #3568131
David, did you try posting a thread on Adobe's ACR product forum There have been a few high-level threads on similar topics there. A few people complaining about how ACR treats Canon (and other canera company) RAWS with respect to noise reduction on files shot at higher ISO. I think Adobe takes seriously the posts that appear on their product forum. Many of them garner responses from CS3/ACR programmers like Jeff Schewe.

Yeah, I've commented and watched similar threads (in the LR forum)... typical response from those close to Adobe seems to be they think their approach to creating a camera profile is fine, and to just suck it up and create a calibration preset.

ACR's been around for awhile... so it's hard to believe they couldn't have fixed it by now (especially since they now own Pixmantec, and other raw converters somehow do a better job at initial conversion.)

I'll have to take a look at the ACR forum, thanks.

davidcrebelxt wrote in post #3567389
Every time I get frustrated with ACR/LR's color representation, I shoot off an email to Canon asking them to PLEASE PLEASE share the information that would allow Adobe to accurately represent the colors... I think they are making a big mistake by not sharing that information.

I wonder why they refuse to do so? Worried some underpaid hack at Adobe will sell the info to Sony, Nikon, Minolta, Pentax or Panasonic?

harrymilker wrote in post #3565546
Just a question...

Would anybody be interested in a set of presets to emulate DPP colors in ACR & Lightroom?

So do you have a set of presets?
Are you just testing the waters to see if people want thme?
Are you actually going through the difficult task of setting them up?

davidcrebelxt wrote in post #3567389
Every time I get frustrated with ACR/LR's color representation, I shoot off an email to Canon asking them to PLEASE PLEASE share the information that would allow Adobe to accurately represent the colors... I think they are making a big mistake by not sharing that information.

I'm not sure this is Canon's issue,. as Chris Breeze who makes BreezeBrowser has been able to work around this for years now. BB output is essentially exactly DPP output.
It sounds like the E-mail should go to Adobe to get them to do the same.


In any event, I'd like to try some DPP esque color settings in LR.. maybe.. especially since I am now stuck between DPP and LR for Mk3 conversions. I have toi say, I am chosing DPP for many reasons.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #3644148
I'm not sure this is Canon's issue,. as Chris Breeze who makes BreezeBrowser has been able to work around this for years now. BB output is essentially exactly DPP output.
It sounds like the E-mail should go to Adobe to get them to do the same.

In any event, I'd like to try some DPP esque color settings in LR.. maybe.. especially since I am now stuck between DPP and LR for Mk3 conversions. I have toi say, I am chosing DPP for many reasons.

I believe its a combination...

If canon would release that information, EVERY software maker should be able to get good, consistent color representation. And why WOULDN'T they want their camera's images to look their best?

Imagine if Adobe's methods somehow did better than they do with Canon cameras... it could mean a shift in market share because many people see images that "appear" better because of that initial conversion. (Just take into account the many people turned off to RAW because when they first see Adobe's conversion they say 'This looks like CRAP, I'm sticking with Jpeg.')

I agree, though that Adobe, being the market leader, should stop sitting on their heels and do something in the meantime to get better initial results... as you mention, it CAN and IS being done by others. I'm surprised Adobe isn't being called out on this more often. (Maybe because many reviewers/journalists are also Adobe fanboys, and they won't get their coveted early releases and NDA privileges.)

BTW, in the LR forum FAQ there is a post by Jeff Schewe regarding this issue... that's the closest I've seen to anyone from Adobe actually adressing this issue. (I don't believe Jeff works FOR Adobe, but works closely with them.)

[Perhaps Adobe, being market leader and in no danger of losing that position, is sticking with crappy color to try to leverage Canon, Nikon, etc, to be more open?]

How does Chris Breeze get around it?
Why is it so hard for a major player like Adobe with hundreds of programmers at there disposal to implement what Chris has been doing for years?

davidcrebelxt wrote in post #3568549
Yeah, I've commented and watched similar threads (in the LR forum)... typical response from those close to Adobe seems to be they think their approach to creating a camera profile is fine, and to just suck it up and create a calibration preset.

Yeah I guess there may be no better alternative than creating a callibration preset. With that in mind, I just reread the part in Bruce Fraser's ACR book about calibrating ACR for one's camera. Holy Headache Batman - that is a rather involved process fraught with error. No wonder I decided to skip doing that. Up to now I had been happy with the results in ACR 3.7 but a recent toying with Canon's DPP (proprietary software)lead me to realise that ACR 4.1 isn't rendering the same pleasing colours that DPP is.
ACR is vastly superior to DPP in many other respects (except price) and I will not abandon ACR. But darned if I am going to slog through the calibration process especially since the results can be skewwed due to the reflection of nearby objects (I live smack downtown so no empty hills nearby).
Peiople have presets designed for tungsten shots, presets for daylight shots. That's a lot of work - c'mon Adobe, I want to take photos, not become some digital software guru.
Surely there are other kind souls who have made their Canon 30D ACR presets available for others...a place where people compare and analyze their preset results. Anyone know if there is a website of these Canon 30D ACR callibration results? I know they won't be exact callibration for my 30D but surely they'll be better starting points for digital photo production than the current initial RAW conversion.

I fully agree with philmar.
I should spend 90€ to buy a ColorChecker and then try to calibrate ACR (or Lightroom), just because an expensive software gives me wrong colors (especially reds)?!
In this case I will stay with DPP (or ZoomBrowser), trying to do my best to take better photos instead of correct them in post - production...