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Jul 22, 2007 19:52 |  #16

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I'm not sure I understand the layout of your sample. It says 14 x 10, but looking at these page sample, visually guessing it looks more like a 3:1 page size ratio as opposed to 1.4x1. Is there an (imaginary) gutter in the middle of these pages?

The images are double page spreads. Each half is 14x10, overall it's 28"x10".


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Jul 22, 2007 20:31 |  #17

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The images are double page spreads. Each half is 14x10, overall it's 28"x10".

That's what I thought. So that means that on at least a few of the pages, the gutter clips off an edge of a picture, correct?


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Jul 22, 2007 20:42 |  #18

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That's what I thought. So that means that on at least a few of the pages, the gutter clips off an edge of a picture, correct?

Yes, it was designed to take that into account, you lose about 2% around the edges. That's how you do pages where the images go the whole way to the edge - the print it bigger then cut it down. It's called "full bleed".


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Jul 22, 2007 21:29 |  #19

hey guys, great discussion going on. Thanks to the replies here i figured out how im going to layout the book. Just a few more decisions.
I cant decide between blurb and mpix.
also if i have a landscape photo cover two portrait pages, will the photo be split in the middle where the book is bound? thanks


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Jul 22, 2007 21:39 |  #20

also if i have a landscape photo cover two portrait pages, will the photo be split in the middle where the book is bound?

Yes? Didn't I answer that in post #13?

They recommend an 1/8 margin for full size bleed pages. There is a gutter, & the "fix" is in their doc. Put the same 2X wide image into 2 pages, & in the 2 page view layout, adjust them to look right. Print a proof copy & adjust from there.


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Jul 22, 2007 22:28 |  #21

Sorry photo guy i forgot. Thanks for reposting though. When you say a proof copy do you mean have a book printed and shipped before you print more or just print the pages off yourself to see? Thanks and sorry for my lack of knowledge on the subject.


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Jul 22, 2007 22:42 |  #22

proof copy: For the 1st book, I had them print and ship a soft cover copy to see how it looked. I had an extra blank page & included a "Standard" print file.
http://www.normankoren​.com/printer_calibrati​on.html (external link)

Other books I had a hard copy printed, again as a proof so I could check color, exposure, bleed cut-off, etc.


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Jul 23, 2007 08:42 |  #23

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Yes, it was designed to take that into account, you lose about 2% around the edges. That's how you do pages where the images go the whole way to the edge - the print it bigger then cut it down. It's called "full bleed".

Thanks. Yes, I understand bleeds, screens, etc. I did professional typesetting for printshops for 10 years which actually generates another question.

The way the pages are laid out would not be the order contained in the book once bound and folded. I.e., each large double wide page with similar theme would not be displayed side-by-side in the book. For example, your very first double-wide page might actually end up being pages 1 & 40 in the book, the second double-wide page pages 3 & 38 and so forth.

When I typeset books, I had to produce final outputs that were in a "book" format where, for a lack of better description, pages were out of order.

Perhaps I need to see one of these sample photo books. Perhaps they are not being bound in a traditional large book format. Either that, or blurb has a system that makes it easy on the customer by submitting simple double wide sheets which their system automatically paginates/collates into the proper "book printing" format. /Dan


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Jul 23, 2007 17:28 |  #24

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The way the pages are laid out would not be the order contained in the book once bound and folded. I.e., each large double wide page with similar theme would not be displayed side-by-side in the book. For example, your very first double-wide page might actually end up being pages 1 & 40 in the book, the second double-wide page pages 3 & 38 and so forth.

No, that's incorrect. In my case it was made by Queensberry Albums, each side (ie half of what you see in my thread) is printed on photographic paper, bound to a stiff card page, then assembled in the order you see. It's the same with Asukabook books, what you see is what you get. How they go about putting it together isn't your problem, but I strongly suspect it's the same as Queensberry.


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Jul 23, 2007 19:02 |  #25

Perhaps I need to see one of these sample photo books.

Good idea. As a 2nd choice, download the software & try it out.
http://www.blurb.com/c​reate/book/download (external link)


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Dec 15, 2007 11:12 |  #26

So troyer16, where's the update on your books? ;)

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Apr 23, 2014 09:30 |  #27

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