I need more magnification.......the MPE65 is not good enough.

Here is a shot of what I believe a Lace Bug nymph. This is taken with my MPE65 at 5x life size, full frame. This is not the best image, but I just want to show you how small this bug is.

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Conclusion: I need to have a lens with higher magnification......Can​on, do you hear this

Well spotted Adrian The adult lace bugs are really weird- how big are they ?
Just wondering if the nymph might actually be a thrip - the adults can be only about 1.5mm long. About the only sensible way of increasing the mag above 5X is to use a TC but think a microscope with camera attached might be more practical
Brian V.

excellent adult detail and yes x5 does struggle to show any detail on the minute specks we sometimes spy.

i would never ever seen that thing. great catch.

Bill

It just goes to show, the more you look the more you find and the more you want.
Nice one.

Blimey we're into the realms of microscopy now Adrian, you could try one of those cheap 10x magnification filters off ebay super glued to the front of the mpe-65

LordV wrote in post #3578418
Well spotted Adrian The adult lace bugs are really weird- how big are they ?
Just wondering if the nymph might actually be a thrip - the adults can be only about 1.5mm long. About the only sensible way of increasing the mag above 5X is to use a TC but think a microscope with camera attached might be more practical
Brian V.

Hi Brian - don't think it's a thrip as I did a bit of research on the web and have seen some good pics of thrips. This guy here doesn't look like thrip As for the adult lace bugs, they are about 2mm. Thanks

racketman wrote in post #3578569
excellent adult detail and yes x5 does struggle to show any detail on the minute specks we sometimes spy.

Thanks, RM, for your kind words. There just isn't a perfect macro lens (i.e., focusing from infinity to 10x life size :lol.

Bill Pham wrote in post #3579246
i would never ever seen that thing. great catch.

Bill

Thanks Bill......It can hardly be seen with our bare eyes

skylab wrote in post #3579379
It just goes to shoe, the more you look the more you find and the more you want.
Nice one.

You are absolutely correct When I had my 100mm macro, I thought the most I would need is 3x life size. Now that I can get up to 5x.........I need more

Attic wrote in post #3579439
Blimey we're into the realms of microscopy now Adrian, you could try one of those cheap 10x magnification filters off ebay super glued to the front of the mpe-65

10x magnification filter???.........wish there is one ......

Leorooster wrote in post #3579906
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Time for a short enlarging lens (50 mm or less), optimized for > 10X enlargements, with reverse adapter and a loooooooooooong bellows unit.

Alternatively, and better, too, a Photar 25 mm or shorter with a loooooooooooong bellows unit .

Great catch!

Kind regards, Wim

Leorooster,
I too have noticed the more magnification I get the more I want I have tried (even though it says in the instruction manual pg E-11 lens cannot be used with Extender) and had no problems getting 10x with the use of a 2xTC with the MP-E 65. I don't know why the instruction manual says you can't as it fits with plenty of room on all magnification levels, and still has 100% function. However it makes shooting a lot harder

You guys are crazy! If there's a bug that I can't shoot well at 5x, I just LET IT GO. I can only imagine the MPE with the 2x tcon. Wow...

Hiya Adrian,

Amazingly well spotted, guess there's a limit to everything even the MPE
That's an excellent shot of the Adult

Cheers for now
Mark

just ooc, would tubes (which I don't own and know very little about) work with the mpe65 (which I also don't own but have been looking at) bring the focus closer for you?

cool shot btw

Permagrin wrote in post #3581452
just ooc, would tubes (which I don't own and know very little about) work with the mpe65 (which I also don't own but have been looking at) bring the focus closer for you?

cool shot btw

I believe Brian (LordV) did the MPE with tubes and got about 8x magnification.

Thanks everyone for your inputs. I'm sure that there are a lot of different ways to gain additional magnifications. The real challenge is how to have a set up that get you higher magnification, but it's still usable in practice. Take me as an example, I mainly shoot without tripod (like many others here). I can barely handhold my setup at 3x to 4x life size. I need some sort of additional support (i.e., putting my elbow on my knee or lying on the ground) for anything at 4x to 5x life size. Also, I would assume that any additional magnifications you gain are on the expense of losing additional working distance (which is only an inch or so at 5x). Finding the object through the viewfinder might also become an issue as the viewfinder might be very dark due to light loss.

Having said all these, I think I would still try tubes and TC to see how these would work out in practice.........

Leorooster wrote in post #3581699
Thanks everyone for your inputs. I'm sure that there are a lot of different ways to gain additional magnifications. The real challenge is how to have a set up that get you higher magnification, but it's still usable in practice. Take me as an example, I mainly shoot without tripod (like many others here). I can barely handhold my setup at 3x to 4x life size. I need some sort of additional support (i.e., putting my elbow on my knee or lying on the ground) for anything at 4x to 5x life size. Also, I would assume that any additional magnifications you gain are on the expense of losing additional working distance (which is only an inch or so at 5x). Finding the object through the viewfinder might also become an issue as the viewfinder might be very dark due to light loss.

Having said all these, I think I would still try tubes and TC to see how these would work out in practice.........

You will need a focusing rail for this sort of stuff, the very high magnifications that is, which means, a tripod too. Handholding isn't an option anymore, unless you want to take 1000 shots for a single kinda in-focus image. Also, because of extreme DoF limitations, you may want to start stacking images. At these magnifications I consider it impossible to do stacking without using a tripod and a focusing rail.

Kind regards, Wim