Fisheye on a Mark III

Hi

I currently have the Peleng 8mm fisheye and I'm frustrated with the 'manual' focus. I'd really like to get a new fisheye and want to know which one will give me the 'best' fisheye effect on my Mark iii (and/or on my 30D)

I'm looking at either the Sigma 8mm or the Canon 15mm.

The 8mm and 15mm are very different beasts,. (Sigma also makes a 15mm fish fyi)

Go to Google Images and type in 15mm fisheye, and you'll see that the 15mm unlike your 8mm, does not have the dark circle around it, it offers a full frame image.
In some shots, the 15mm can almost look like a rectilinear ultrawide,. the distortion can be much tamer than the 8mm..

I'd base the purchase on which effect you are looking for.
(Does the Sigma 8mm AF?)

The Tokina 10-17 Fisheye zoom will give you 180 degree diagonal coverage, without vignetting, from about 12-13 mm on the Mk III.

On APS-C 180 degree diagonal AoV at 10 mm, at 12-13 mm on APS-H, and from 15 mm on FF.

So, you could use it both on the 30D and the Mk III, and still maintain true, frame-filling fisheye, on either camera !!!

HTH, kind regards, Wim

I have a Mark III and purchased the tokina 10-17 yesterday and took a few shots with it this morning just goofing off. The pictures can be seen at:

www.pbase.com/crznlow/​tokina_1017_fisheye

Wow, never realized it would work on 1.3x,. what a capitol idea!

crznlow wrote in post #3626741
I have a Mark III and purchased the tokina 10-17 yesterday and took a few shots with it this morning just goofing off. The pictures can be seen at:

www.pbase.com/crznlow/​tokina_1017_fisheye

Thank you very much for sharing those pictures! It is great to see how it behaves on a Mk III at different focal lengths!

It looks like it could benefit from a "shave" as well, enlarging the AoV to about 185 degrees diagonally, or thereabouts, at 10 mm .

Kind regards, Wim

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #3628135
Wow, never realized it would work on 1.3x,. what a capitol idea!

yeah me neither. I went to the camera shop asking about it but the guy seemed pretty clueless about it...told me it'd work on a 10d/20d/30d/300d/350d/​400d but when I asked him about putting it on a 1d3 he said "uhhhh, sure....why not?" Well the answer to his why not was that I didn't want to trash my lovely 1d3, so i left without trying it.

maybe i'll have to go back there to play with it, and just push the kid out of the way when he tries to help.

too bad it doesn't also work on the 5d...that'd be downright amazing.

Cathpah wrote in post #3628870
yeah me neither. I went to the camera shop asking about it but the guy seemed pretty clueless about it...told me it'd work on a 10d/20d/30d/300d/350d/​400d but when I asked him about putting it on a 1d3 he said "uhhhh, sure....why not?" Well the answer to his why not was that I didn't want to trash my lovely 1d3, so i left without trying it.

maybe i'll have to go back there to play with it, and just push the kid out of the way when he tries to help.

too bad it doesn't also work on the 5d...that'd be downright amazing.

FYI: it does work on a 5D too! FF, it'll have a 180 degree AoV diagonally from about 15 mm.

Panorama and VR shooters use this lens on any dslr. Although the image circle was designed for APS-C, the mount is just a full-size EF mount, and the lens element at the back won't touch the mirror. When zooming you just increase the size of the image circle, which is why it still works as a proper 180 degree diagonal fisheye on APS-H and FF, provided you use it at the appropriate FL setting, where the (fixed) lens hood just doesn't vignet anymore. So 12 mm on a 1D Mk III, 12-13 mm on a 1D Mk II, and 15 mm on a 5D or 1Ds.

And for an even wider AoV on APS-H and FF, you can actually shave the lens hood, which will give you 194 degrees AoV on FF, and it loosk like 185 or so on APS-H.

Kind regards, Wim

Thank you all for your replies.

I'm going to B&H this morning - and I will try them all out there - on THEIR MKIII .. just in case :P

wimg wrote in post #3629036
FYI: it does work on a 5D too! FF, it'll have a 180 degree AoV diagonally from about 15 mm.

Panorama and VR shooters use this lens on any dslr. Although the image circle was designed for APS-C, the mount is just a full-size EF mount, and the lens element at the back won't touch the mirror. When zooming you just increase the size of the image circle, which is why it still works as a proper 180 degree diagonal fisheye on APS-H and FF, provided you use it at the appropriate FL setting, where the (fixed) lens hood just doesn't vignet anymore. So 12 mm on a 1D Mk III, 12-13 mm on a 1D Mk II, and 15 mm on a 5D or 1Ds.

And for an even wider AoV on APS-H and FF, you can actually shave the lens hood, which will give you 194 degrees AoV on FF, and it loosk like 185 or so on APS-H.

Kind regards, Wim

wait a second...it won't break my 5d? I don't really care if I can't use the full focal range, but it won't hang up the mirror on the rear element or anything? If 15mm would have 180 degree angle of view, that'd be just dandy. then i could trade in my sigma 15mm fish for this one and then have fish on either my 1d3 or the 5d.

you 100% sure about this one? any links to help me drool?

thanks for opening my eyes up to this possibility.

Cathpah wrote in post #3630351
wait a second...it won't break my 5d?

Correct! Note: it is NOT an EF-S lens, only an APS-C designed lens, and it will work on, f.e., a Nikon body, which has a larger mount to sensor distance than a Canon .

Yep. And you could use the whole zoom range, but you'd have to shave the lens hood if you don't want any vignetting by the lens hood, in case you'd want to use the whole zoom range .

Yes, for quite some time already .

Yes, could do .

It is a pleasure .

Here is a link or two, from the same site:
http://michel.thoby.fr​ee.fr …_Tokina_Nikkor_​Canon.html
http://michel.thoby.fr​ee.fr …Intricate_Panog​raphy.html

Shaving the hood:
http://michel.thoby.fr​ee.fr …na_10-17mm_be_shaved.html
http://michel.thoby.fr​ee.fr …g-off_the_sun-shield.html
http://michel.thoby.fr​ee.fr …_the_hood/Wim_m​ethod.html
On the last page there is a link to a Dutch site (also in English) of a panographer, who also uses the 10-17 on a 5D .

Kind regards, Wim

crznlow wrote in post #3626741
I have a Mark III and purchased the tokina 10-17 yesterday and took a few shots with it this morning just goofing off. The pictures can be seen at:

www.pbase.com/crznlow/​tokina_1017_fisheye

Hey, thanks for putting those up for us to see. I'm trying to figure out how to get pictures of the old ranch houses here in the Valley -- know I need wider but not how wide nor what the look of a fisheye photo would be. Your pictures were a big help. (But oh pooh, I think it's not what I need.)

m

wimg wrote in post #3630444
Correct! Note: it is NOT an EF-S lens, only an APS-C designed lens, and it will work on, f.e., a Nikon body, which has a larger mount to sensor distance than a Canon .

Yep. And you could use the whole zoom range, but you'd have to shave the lens hood if you don't want any vignetting by the lens hood, in case you'd want to use the whole zoom range .

Yes, for quite some time already .

Yes, could do .

It is a pleasure .

Here is a link or two, from the same site:
http://michel.thoby.fr​ee.fr …_Tokina_Nikkor_​Canon.html
http://michel.thoby.fr​ee.fr …Intricate_Panog​raphy.html

Shaving the hood:
http://michel.thoby.fr​ee.fr …na_10-17mm_be_shaved.html
http://michel.thoby.fr​ee.fr …g-off_the_sun-shield.html
http://michel.thoby.fr​ee.fr …_the_hood/Wim_m​ethod.html
On the last page there is a link to a Dutch site (also in English) of a panographer, who also uses the 10-17 on a 5D .

Kind regards, Wim

that is SO cool. you dutch sure are crafty!

man...i dont know how i'm gonna track all this stuff down in bangkok, and I definitely worry about slipping and destroying the lens...but it sure is tempting.

I'm really excited about the prospect of doing this. My sigma 15mm fish is about the same price as the tokina...so should be no problem convincing the fiancee to let me buy the tokina and sell the sigma fish when i get back to the states.

will let you know if i get the "guts" together to do this. maybe someone should start shaving hoods and selling them in the buy/sell forum. I know I'd pay a couple extra bucks not to worry about messing the whole thing up.

I am forever indebted to you. thanks again.

Mrs Smarty Pants wrote in post #3625598
Hi

I currently have the Peleng 8mm fisheye and I'm frustrated with the 'manual' focus. I'd really like to get a new fisheye and want to know which one will give me the 'best' fisheye effect on my Mark iii (and/or on my 30D)

I'm looking at either the Sigma 8mm or the Canon 15mm.

More info please!!!

I have the Mark III and was just getting ready to buy either the Peleng or the Sigma 8mm. And now you say it is a dog due to mf. Is there an issue with the mf, or is it just you don't like mf very much? Any help is appreciated, as I have a Peleng on the sting right now for a VERY good price but will back out if it is a non-performer on the Mark III.

Thanks so much.

Joe

I will PM also

joegolf68 wrote in post #3646615
More info please!!!

I have the Mark III and was just getting ready to buy either the Peleng or the Sigma 8mm. And now you say it is a dog due to mf. Is there an issue with the mf, or is it just you don't like mf very much? Any help is appreciated, as I have a Peleng on the sting right now for a VERY good price but will back out if it is a non-performer on the Mark III.

Thanks so much.

Joe

I will PM also

joe,
I wouldn't worry about manual focus. fisheyes are pretty forgiving with focus (or maybe never in focus in the first place) so most people have no complaints with manual focus on a fish