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Jul 29, 2007 17:52 |  #1

Alright, I am getting totally confused here. What setting should I have my monitor set on? It says 96 dpi right now.

I am looking for the best resolution to accuratly view images with. Also, when I print them, I print them on photo paper at 4800dpi and they look great, but not sure how to set up the ... well, the setup.

ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNND... when I bring up a pic in that damn photoshop program, it keeps asking what resolution to set it as, saying 72 dpi. which makes no sense to me whatsoever... ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNND... then when I thought the thing was set to an 8x10 setting, it keeps resetting itself to something stupit like 28x something... ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNND... No matter what I do, it tells me that the images are too big and that it won't print right without cutting some off the thing.

I had the resolution set to 300 dpi on photoshop, which is what somebody told me to do.

What the hell is going on here?????

I just wanted the most accurate visualization for what I was working with here, and the best quality prints. I have an outstanding printer, and have never incurred a problem with this before, but now, something is apparently not set up right.

I'd like (I think) to be able to set an 8x10 final print as a default and at the best resolution, and leave it alone, and have that be the default when it loads a new image. Surely this oh-so-wonderful unholy POS program can do that.

I'm aggravatted. What am I doing wrong?


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Jul 29, 2007 18:35 |  #2

Doesn't matter what setting you use for the monitor, it's generally ignored. Use the default. I have no idea what mine's set to. I've never had PS ask me the resolution of an image, do you have a screenshot?

I'm not clear what your problem is. Can you write it a little more concisely?


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Jul 29, 2007 18:37 |  #3

Hmmm... everybody else must have better things to do then get up on the computer tonight.

Lets see if I can refine my questions.


1. Ok, another feller just told me to leave the monitor at 96, and to keep the resolution at 300 dpi for printing, even though I'm actually printing with the printer set up for 4800. Is this right?

2. Also, he said to just type in 8 and let the computer decide the other number, but he said to make sure the resample option was off. Don't understand why. Any ideas?

3. Next, (assuming that the above is correct) will the program use this as a default setting for pictures to come, or is there a way to set it up that way?

4. I am assuming that once I do this, I won't necessarily have to touch the "canvas size" settings, right?

5. And what does "embedded ICC profile cannot be used because the ICC profile is invalid. Ignoring the profile."

Mean, exactly?

6. When saving, it says Quality- 8 (high)
and below says:

baseline standard
baseline optomised
progressive

Any ideas for these? I'm sure this sounds pretty basic for yall, but I just don't really get it. Thanks in advance.

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Jul 29, 2007 19:00 |  #4

Sorry, I was getting frustrated, and I rambled.

Photobucket is giving me the run around tonight, so probably won't be able to post any pictures tonight, but for instance, the one I have pulled up right now says:

Width: 1645
Height: 2477
Res: 72

and is a vertical portrait.

Now, if I change it, it looks like this-

Width: 8
Height: 12.046
Res: 205.625

The only thing that it let me put in and keep that way was "8".

Why should I have Resample turned off? I thought that was supposed to keep everything in sync when you changed pixel dimensions. Also, I thought I was supposed to use bicubic. Now, I'm not sure if I really understand what I actually thought I understood.

Any advice would be great.


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Jul 29, 2007 19:02 |  #5

BTW-I am using CS2, if that helps, and apparently it assumes(requires) tha you have some previous understanding/experien​ce with Photoshop, which I lack.


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Jul 29, 2007 19:24 |  #6

Your questions still aren't clear.
1) Ignore the monitor resolution, it doesn't matter.
2) Ignore resolution, it's irrelevant 95% of the time. Instead pay attention to the number of pixels along each axis.
3) The "resample" checkbox tells photoshop you want to change the number of pixels in the image. eg you might make a 3000pixel wide image 700 pixels wide for posting to the web. If you turn off resample it just changes the metadata - ie the ppi value - which effectively does nothing.
4) "Constrain Proportions" is what tells it to keep the relative width and height, i'm not sure if it's in the image size dialog or not. eg if you have a 3000x2000 pixel image and tell it to "constrain proportions" and type 1000 in the first it'll make the second 667 pixels automatically. With that turned off it'll let you do anything which will screw up your images.

It seems like you need to get yourself a book on the basics of digital photography and photoshop. I can't recommend any books at that level, I borrowed a couple from my local library. Once you understand the basics the link to my recommended books in my sig will help you out.


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Jul 29, 2007 20:41 as a reply to  @ tim's post |  #7

So, leave resampling on?

I have the book for elements, which is what I intended on getting, but got a decent deal on this one, which is more than I needed. Sadly, it is not the same.


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Jul 29, 2007 21:08 |  #8

The principles are the same, you should be fine. Maybe you need a book on digital imaging in general, explaining the principles, rather than on a specific program.

If you want to change the number of pixels in your image, which you generally want to do, then resampling must be left on :)


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Jul 29, 2007 22:46 |  #9

OK, I’ll give it a try.
1. Monitor resolution is really a non-issue. It just refers to how your computer is displayed.
As to print resolution, what you refer to as dpi that depends on the print size and should be referred to together. Example: an 8x10@300 dpi is really 2400x3000 pixels.
The dpi of your printer is not connected to your print size in any way. That large number mostly refers to the size of droplets sprayed onto your photo when printing.

2. Only use the re-sample when you want to re-size the photo, this means increase or decrease your pixel dimentions. For web posting or making some enlargements.
Leave the re-sample un-checked
Assuming you use Photoshop, when you open the image size box, it will tell you the pixel dimentions at the top. Furthur down is the Physical size, if you change the smaller number to 8, the larger number should say 12 and the resolution should have increased.
This is normal and shouldn't be changed unless you have something special in mind.

3. No, it won't change the settings for the next time you open a picture. It really doesn't matter though, as you will soon learn.

4. Canvas size is your friend, after you do "image size", go to canvas size and instruct it to "Crop" the image to the 8x10 you want. It [U]WILL[U] crop the top or bottom or both to make it this set size.

5. Someone else will help you with this.

6. The number refers to the quality of the compression, the higher the better.
The other has to do with how the jpeg will be displayed, although I don't think it has anything to do with quality, I could be wrong about that. I use baseline standard.

A good PS book is Photoshop Bible by Deke McClelland.
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Jul 29, 2007 22:46 |  #10

My attempts at these questions:

Bootlegger0173 wrote in post #3632107 (external link)
1. Ok, another feller just told me to leave the monitor at 96, and to keep the resolution at 300 dpi for printing, even though I'm actually printing with the printer set up for 4800. Is this right?

I wouldn't touch the monitor resolution -- just leave it at 96 dpi. As for print resolution, don't bother changing it. Feel free to change it to 4800 dpi if you wish, but it's not going to affect the final print size. Photoshop uses this value when you view the image at print size "View > Print Size".

2. Also, he said to just type in 8 and let the computer decide the other number, but he said to make sure the resample option was off. Don't understand why. Any ideas?

Assuming you want 8x10" prints at 4800dpi, you would want to do this:


  1. If your image is not in the right aspect ratio, crop to 8x10 format.
  2. Go to "Image > Image Size..."
  3. In the popup box, make sure both "Constrain Proportions" and "Resample Image" are checked. You probably want to also select "Bicubic" or "Bicubic Smoother" for upscaling.
  4. In the same popup box, enter "8" (or "10" if the image is landscape) and select "inches" for width. Photoshop should automatically calculate the height to be "10" (or "8") inches respectively.
  5. Change the Resolution to "4800".
  6. Hit "OK".

3. Next, (assuming that the above is correct) will the program use this as a default setting for pictures to come, or is there a way to set it up that way?

Don't think you can set this to be the default. But I've never tried...

4. I am assuming that once I do this, I won't necessarily have to touch the "canvas size" settings, right?

Correct.

5. And what does "embedded ICC profile cannot be used because the ICC profile is invalid. Ignoring the profile."

Mean, exactly?

ICC profiles are for managing colour. It appears that it got corrupted somehow. Your colours may not be 100% accurate.

6. When saving, it says Quality- 8 (high)
and below says:

baseline standard
baseline optomised
progressive

Any ideas for these?

  • Baseline Standard -- the most compatible format.
  • Baseline Optimised -- aims for better colour and smaller file sizes. It may not be supported by older image viewing programs.
  • Progressive -- allows progressive viewing of the image before the entire image has been loaded. You'll first see a very low resolution image that gets progressively better after every pass.
Hope that helps.

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Jul 30, 2007 20:23 as a reply to  @ droiby's post |  #11

Thanks yall. I'll try play with it some more after training Thursday night.


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Jul 31, 2007 03:16 |  #12

Bootlegger0173 wrote in post #3632107 (external link)
5. And what does "embedded ICC profile cannot be used because the ICC profile is invalid. Ignoring the profile."


What file? (Raw thru what converter or jpg from (what) camera or something else)
What profile?
What PS color settings? (link in my sig for correct ones, I'd stick to sRGB until you know more about color management)

ISTR there was a similair thread a while back, but I can't seem to find it... Anyone?


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