NOT official ---40D

Guys like i said on the other 40d thread, if these specs are true, it would be truely dissapointing.

No ISO 3200, No imporvement in AF, No (minor) weather sealing?
Why would any 30D owner want to purchase this thing? for the 10MPs (are you kidding me)? bigger LCD?

As a nikon owner eagerly awaiting the release of this thing I can tell you that if indeed these specs are true, I'll be buying a heavily discounted 30d or better yet a used 1d MKII! Which I guess is kind of good = more $$ for glass if i end up buying a 30D

yawn, yawn, here we go again with the 'never satisfied' band!

EOSAddict wrote in post #3664316
yawn, yawn, here we go again with the 'never satisfied' band!

sorry I'll try to be a better fanboy next time.

Like my dad always said, "wouldn't be happy if you hung him with a new rope!"

no fanboy here, but let's just be realistic!

weather sealing on the x0D range? Never likely. 45 pt AF? never likely... 10mp not enough for you? If you liked your 30D (as I do) just be satisfied you don't have to upgrade! But there is enough there for many.. certainly enough to encourage 350/400/20D owners. Look how many went from a 350 to a 400.

EOSAddict wrote in post #3664337
no fanboy here, but let's just be realistic!

weather sealing on the x0D range? Never likely. 45 pt AF? never likely... 10mp not enough for you? If you liked your 30D (as I do) just be satisfied you don't have to upgrade! But there is enough there for many.. certainly enough to encourage 350/400/20D owners. Look how many went from a 350 to a 400.

Please read my post again, I don't own a 30D and I said that I'd buy a 30D at a lower price or a used 1d MkII, rather then buy a 40D. Of course this is assuming that the specs are true.

Why can't it have "minor" amount of weather sealing like the D200? I never said that I expected to have the weather sealing of a 1D.

Look, you have to admit that if these specs are true, it isn't much of an upgrade over a 30D.
With the current specs would you be enticed to upgrade from your 30D, when there are no imporvements in ISO , AF, or maybe even weather sealing?

deeeez wrote in post #3664412
Please read my post again, I don't own a 30D and I said that I'd buy a 30D at a lower price or a used 1d MkII, rather then buy a 40D. Of course this is assuming that the specs are true.

Why can't it have "minor" amount of weather sealing like the D200? I never said that I expected to have the weather sealing of a 1D.

Look, you have to admit that if these specs are true, it isn't much of an upgrade over a 30D.
With the current specs would you be enticed to upgrade from your 30D, when there are no imporvements in ISO , AF, or maybe even weather sealing?

First of all don't they refer to the ISO on the 20D/30D interms of "real" ISO (100-1600) and the the extended with "H"? I can't imagine that they'll remove the H setting given the fact that the 20D and 30D have it.

As for the "no improvements" line, what?

-6.25 FPS
-10mp
-digic III
-ISO in top lcd and in viewfinder
-three custom settings
-3 inch lcd
-live view
-sensor clean

How can you say these are not improvements?

Ok, I reread your post and misunderstood your "no improvements" line. There is nothing indicating that the ISO performance will not be better. If it has different sensor and DIgic III I feel it will most likely offer some better performance. Also the AF may be improved in some way. And as for weather sealing, your probably right that it won't have any which is a shame.

But there are possibly many upgrades that I am eager to have.

The biggest improvement i can see is the self timer can be set to 2 or 10 sec long time coming!!

EOSAddict wrote in post #3664337
no fanboy here, but let's just be realistic!

weather sealing on the x0D range? Never likely. 45 pt AF? never likely... 10mp not enough for you? If you liked your 30D (as I do) just be satisfied you don't have to upgrade! But there is enough there for many.. certainly enough to encourage 350/400/20D owners. Look how many went from a 350 to a 400.

Why no weather sealing on the x0D range? Pentax has it in a lower-priced body (K10D), and Nikon has it in a slightly higher priced body (D200), so never say never. I'm actually surprised that weather sealing isn't included in the 40D.

As a 20D owner the "known" 40D specs aren't that interesting to me--certainly not interesting enough to want to upgrade to it--but that's just me. I'm sure other 20D owners would be enticed. Features that I hope will be revealed later are better AF (more cross-type AF sensors) and lower high-ISO noise. But even then that dang-blasted diamond AF point layout is back, which is lame. And how much better could the high ISO be if it's limited to ISO 3200 (guessing from the fact that 1/3 stop ISO settings end at ISO 1600--3200 would be an "expansion" ISO).

ISO on the top LCD and viewfinder full-time? Kudos, Canon. We've only been complaining about this since, what, the D30? But seriously, I'm glad this one peeve is finally put to rest. Now if we could just get Canon to adopt a more sensible AF point layout other than the diamond they're so proud of...

Weathersealed? Take a very close look at the hot shoe. Its different than the 20D/30D. It looks like it has the rubber boot of the MK3 or similar to mate up with the 580EX MK2 foot. If this is weather sealed and has auto ISO it will probably be my next purchase along with a sealed lens, 24-105 or a 70-200.

It looks exactly like I thought it would, why does everyone think that these upgrades are going to be a huge change? Its an upgrade to a line, not an entire new series!

I do like the Improved frame rate and Live View with a 3" LCD, should be a nice for underwater work, helps me see whats going on around me better.

I will probably ditch my 20D and pick up a 40D and another 5D, and if I win the lottery throw in a 1DIII, and leave the 40D as a dedicated UW cam.

-Johnny

gooble wrote in post #3664802
First of all don't they refer to the ISO on the 20D/30D interms of "real" ISO (100-1600) and the the extended with "H"? I can't imagine that they'll remove the H setting given the fact that the 20D and 30D have it.

As for the "no improvements" line, what?

-6.25 FPS
-10mp
-digic III
-ISO in top lcd and in viewfinder
-three custom settings
-3 inch lcd
-live view
-sensor clean

How can you say these are not improvements?

All I'm trying to say that 2mp +, 1.25 FPS increase, a slightly bigger lcd, and live view aren't reasons for most people to sell their 30D and buy this thing. How many here wouldn't trade Live view for better weather sealing?
Does "sensor clean" work well? I read an article a while ago comparing all the dust removing DSLR's including the xti (excluding MkIII) and they said that it was pretty much useless.

Are all of those things that you mentioned improvements? certainly.

But wouldn't it have been better if they introduced a new AF system (more sensors or cross type sensors) and 6400 ISO?

Tell me you wouldn't trade 6400 ISO and a better AF (not implying that the current AF is bad) for at least 5 of those things you mentioned above.

Listen, for all we know we are debating over a really well done PS picture of a 30D. LOL

I hope the specs are BS and we get a couple of nice surpises...

deeeez wrote in post #3664304
Guys like i said on the other 40d thread, if these specs are true, it would be truely dissapointing.

No ISO 3200, No imporvement in AF, No (minor) weather sealing?
Why would any 30D owner want to purchase this thing? for the 10MPs (are you kidding me)? bigger LCD?

As a nikon owner eagerly awaiting the release of this thing I can tell you that if indeed these specs are true, I'll be buying a heavily discounted 30d or better yet a used 1d MKII! Which I guess is kind of good = more $$ for glass if i end up buying a 30D

Iso3200, in all Canon dSLRs except the 1D3, is turned on by iso-expansion in custom functions.

Do car makers put out new models so that people that bought the prevous model will sell theirs and get the new one? No. They put out new models for people interested in buying a new car. Doesn't matter if they have never bought a dSLR or if they have 3 already. We are beyond having significant improvements in each new camera model. If you'd rather wait 5 years between camera models, - then you could have a significant upgrade from model to model, but not at every 18 months and with users wanting the price of each new model to be cheaper than the previous. You get what you pay for. You want new features and performance but at a lower cost. You can't have both. People would be better off paying more for better products than paying less for cheaper ones.

as I noted in the other thread, I think the pics are real, not sure about the specs that have been going around. Did anyone else notice how the leftmost digit in the ISO can spell A? I feel auto iso coming