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Aug 06, 2007 07:24 |  #1

Hi,

As you can see in my Gear List, I don't have a Macro Lens, neither was i willing to spend more on camera gear...

I had read about this technique wherein you can reverse mount a 50mm lens on a 75-300 zoom lens by means of some "macro coupler rings" and get some insane magnification shots! So, off I went and ordered a 58-58mm and a 58-52mm coupler ring for $ 4.49 each of ebay. Today they arrived

IMAGE: http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/1-3.jpg

IMAGE: http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/2-4.jpg

This is how my setup looked like:
IMAGE: http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/3-3.jpg

Here's the 50mm reverse mounted on the filter thread of my 70-300IS:
IMAGE: http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/4-2.jpg

As can be seen above, the shots were taken with the subject placed under direct sunlight on my window sill.

Then i went searching for a 'subjet';) Found this little bugger. About 3mm long and 1.5mm wide. Picture taken with the 50mm at closest focusing distance.

1/60, f/5.6, ISO 100, about 50% crop
IMAGE: http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/5-1.jpg

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Aug 06, 2007 07:39 |  #2

This is the first picture with the 70-300 at about 70mm, giving a magnification of about 1.4:1 (70mm/50mm). The DOF is wafer thin and its very difficult to find focus. The minimum focus distance is very little, with the front element of the lens only about 10-15mm from the subject.

1/60, f32, ISO1600, uncropped

IMAGE: http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/6.jpg

Slowly, I started to Zoom in... this is at about 100mm, 2:1 magnification..

1/60, f/32, ISo 1600
IMAGE: http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/8.jpg

These are with the 70-300 zoomed all the way to the 300mm position, providing a magnification of about 6:1 (300mm/50mm). The DOF is unbelievably thin. Would you believe, these pics are taken in the region of f/16 to f/22:eek: Another major issue is camera shake, even with the solid tripod, mirror lockup and remote, there was tremendous camera shake. Finding focus is insanely difficult. Keeper ratio was about 2 out of 10:rolleyes:

1/60, f/16, ISO 1600
IMAGE: http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/9.jpg

1/60, f/22, ISO 1600
IMAGE: http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/10.jpg

1/30, f/18, ISO 1600
IMAGE: http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/rx100/11.jpg

Since this was my first attempt at this technique, i think i got pretty 'encouraging' results.

However, I have following questions in mind:

1) Why is there so much CA in the high magnification pics? How to control the same.

2) What can be done to increase the DOF?

3) Any other tips, suggestions from veterans who have 'been there, done that' will be highly appreciated

Now, i must rest.... have a really sore back:o

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Aug 06, 2007 07:41 |  #3

looks good - I was going to state that didnt look very close - then i saw your other images!

Use off camera flash to avoid shake and allow ISO 200 - and also open up to around f8 for best resolution even at expense of DOF.


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Aug 06, 2007 07:48 |  #4

racketman wrote in post #3676600 (external link)
Use off camera flash to avoid shake and allow ISO 200 - and also open up to around f8 for best resolution even at expense of DOF.

If you don't have an off camera flash just now- You need one of my Flash Tunnels :lol:
(see sig) but seriously these look cool; nice job and good enthusiasm lol- I'm always trying to find ways to avoid paying for new kit; (see Flash tunnel in my sig again) and usually I fail lol


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Aug 06, 2007 09:05 |  #5

racketman wrote in post #3676600 (external link)
looks good - I was going to state that didnt look very close - then i saw your other images!

Use off camera flash to avoid shake and allow ISO 200 - and also open up to around f8 for best resolution even at expense of DOF.

Thanks! But, what's causing the CA? Is it the direct sunlight? or the small aperture?


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Aug 06, 2007 17:06 as a reply to  @ Viky's post |  #6

THAT THINGS HUUUUUUUGE!!!!!!


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Aug 06, 2007 17:51 as a reply to  @ lance v's post |  #7

Can you post more, when you get a chance with other subjects?
I want to see a couple of more before I go and spend all that money. :lol:
I can not afford a macro lens, not living in this crazy state of California.
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Aug 06, 2007 19:09 as a reply to  @ PhatPhoto's post |  #8

Nice shots. You can also achieve great magnification by just using the reversed 50 attached to the camera with either a bought or homemade adapter, makes it a much lighter and easier rig to handhold without the larger lens on it. Take a look at my pictures in my signature link, I think the magnification should be similar.


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Aug 07, 2007 00:30 |  #9

Viky wrote in post #3676586 (external link)
1) Why is there so much CA in the high magnification pics? How to control the same.

2) What can be done to increase the DOF?

3) Any other tips, suggestions from veterans who have 'been there, done that' will be highly appreciated

Still awaiting inputs on above points from the MACRO Veterans...


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Aug 07, 2007 00:38 |  #10

Beautiful macros...


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Aug 07, 2007 02:29 |  #11

mnjaga wrote in post #3682010 (external link)
Beautiful macros...

Thanks guys! But, more than C&C, I'm looking for tips and suggestions from the Macro specialists, which I don't seem to be getting much :-(


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Aug 07, 2007 03:43 |  #12

Viky wrote in post #3676586 (external link)
However, I have following questions in mind:

1) Why is there so much CA in the high magnification pics? How to control the same.

2) What can be done to increase the DOF?

3) Any other tips, suggestions from veterans who have 'been there, done that' will be highly appreciated


Well, I'm not a veteran, but here's my thoughts, for what they are worth.


  1. The CA us usually caused by using too small an f/stop. Once you get above f11, the narrow aperture will start to cause CA around well defined edges. By it's nature, macro pictures make the effect more obvious. Other than reducing the aperture, this can be reduced in a manipulation package.
  2. Unfortunately, increasing the aperture will reduce DOF more. At high magnification there is little you can do in a single shot. However, you can stack your images using LordV's stacking tutorial. This involves taking several pictures from the same viewpoint, and focussing on a different point each time, then combining the images into a single picture.
  3. As for technique, you have most of the basics. Using manual focus and slowly getting closer. A diffused flash can help keep the shutter speed up and reduce shake, but you'll need a bracket to position the flash nearer the end of the lens. (I think a cheap one can be picked up on eBay for around $10). Take a look in this thread for some example brackets/diffusers.
Oh, and you can't beat practice.:)

Hope this helps.

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Aug 07, 2007 03:43 |  #13

Think you alreay have some tips for this but at magnifications above 1:1 I would not go smaller than F11 and indeed probably use F8 to prevent diffraction softening. Think the CA you are getting is probably made a lot worse by shooting into the sun- always try to shoot away from the sun plus use of a diffused flash above 1:1 is also much easier.
Think I'd also try reversing the kit lens onto your 50mm lens. Reversed lenses are normally better if both are primes not zooms.

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Aug 07, 2007 07:06 |  #14

dreamline wrote in post #3682532 (external link)
Well, I'm not a veteran, but here's my thoughts, for what they are worth.

  1. The CA us usually caused by using too small an f/stop. Once you get above f11, the narrow aperture will start to cause CA around well defined edges. By it's nature, macro pictures make the effect more obvious. Other than reducing the aperture, this can be reduced in a manipulation package.
  2. Unfortunately, increasing the aperture will reduce DOF more. At high magnification there is little you can do in a single shot. However, you can stack your images using LordV's stacking tutorial. This involves taking several pictures from the same viewpoint, and focussing on a different point each time, then combining the images into a single picture.
  3. As for technique, you have most of the basics. Using manual focus and slowly getting closer. A diffused flash can help keep the shutter speed up and reduce shake, but you'll need a bracket to position the flash nearer the end of the lens. (I think a cheap one can be picked up on eBay for around $10). Take a look in this thread for some example brackets/diffusers.
Oh, and you can't beat practice.:)

Hope this helps.

Thanks a lot for the detailed explainations!:)

From what i understand, 1/200s, f/8-11, ISO 200 with a diffused Flash on an extension bracket would be a good starting point...from there I can proceed as per the exposure obtained....

As for LordV's stacking tutorial, its sure gets you amazing results.... but seems complicated and difficult to achieve for a newbie like me:rolleyes:


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Aug 07, 2007 07:14 |  #15

LordV wrote in post #3682533 (external link)
Think you alreay have some tips for this but at magnifications above 1:1 I would not go smaller than F11 and indeed probably use F8 to prevent diffraction softening. Think the CA you are getting is probably made a lot worse by shooting into the sun- always try to shoot away from the sun plus use of a diffused flash above 1:1 is also much easier.
Think I'd also try reversing the kit lens onto your 50mm lens. Reversed lenses are normally better if both are primes not zooms.

brian V.

Yes, at these magnifications, f/8 - f/11 should be my preffered aperture range.

Regarding CA, I think i'll avoid shooting into the sun.

Thanks for the tips!

Viky


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