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More fun with the rev 50 and basic macro

 
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Aug 13, 2007 06:12 |  #16

Thank you Artur :) I appreciate it.... Take care

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Excellent, all of them! Lighting is perfect IMO.


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Aug 13, 2007 08:39 as a reply to  @ post 3717261 |  #17

Wow! Amazing Pics.... all of them!!!

I'm totally in awe of your skills at the reverse50 technique, I've tried my hand at this, and I know how very difficult it is to get good results.

I'd really appreciate if you could give some tips on the problems I faced with this setup in this thread....

https://photography-on-the.net …=358865&highlig​ht=extreme

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Aug 13, 2007 10:23 |  #18

It will be a pleasure Viky... I checked out your works, and you have the potential to be a "Hi Mag Macro God" :D :D I'll help you fine tune.... You have already come up with some essential settings, and lessons learned.. You are off to a great start... Let me put a thread together on what I find works well for me, and see if some of the tips help.... Racketman nailed one important element and that is a flash set up.... Makes a world of difference... There are a few good options, some of which are on the cheap with some home made adapters....... We'll have you dialed in.... Thanks very much for your nice, and educated comment on the series of shots :)...Take care

quote=Viky;3718686]Wow​! Amazing Pics.... all of them!!!

I'm totally in awe of your skills at the reverse50 technique, I've tried my hand at this, and I know how very difficult it is to get good results.

I'd really appreciate if you could give some tips on the problems I faced with this setup in this thread....

https://photography-on-the.net …=358865&highlig​ht=extreme

best rgds,
Viky[/QUOTE]


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Aug 13, 2007 17:42 |  #19

Hi Trevor... What I will suggest is start with your 100-300 at 100mm for a milder more manageable mag to start with 2:1 is still way cool.. Be sure 50 is set wide open and set to infinity focus.. Set your main lens to f16 to f22 this will increase your DOF for a little easier focusing.... Finding the bug wide open and hitting focus with so little DOF would be very difficult.. Start with something stationary to get the feel for it... Anything on a table or counter top will help you get used to the approx working distance and help get you adjusting to how thin the DOF is.... That is where I started getting good practice adjusting to the rig... Keep in mind again your working distance will be under and inch, and focus will be achieved by moving the lens closer too or further away from the subject... Be sure all auto focus features of both lenses are shut down, and forget the focusing rings once set.... Once you get comfortable with this, you will need to get the flash directed right at the end of the lens for good results with the shots... Brian showed an example of a sweet yet simple solution... With external flash mounted to the hot shoe take a piece of paper and form it to attach with tape to the flash unit and be sure to have the paper funneling the light out to the end of the lens, in a slight downward angle from flash to lens.... Cut or end the paper no more than an inch or so past the lens.... This helps soften the light and put it out where it needs to be.... With under an inch of working distance a conventional flash won't squeek in where it needs to be... And the images will usually be far to underexposed without use of a flash...I personally start my camera settings at ISO 200, shutter to 1/320, camera set in manual mode... Flash set to manual high speed sync, and I dial down the EV to 1/4 this is usually close to right, I then fine tune from there.. Usually changing shutter speed by one value up or down.. Viky..... I would like to add this last bit of advice to you to bring out your shots a little more... Lighting the subject with mainly backlighting won't work nearly as effectively when it comes to detail of the bug without blowing out the highlights. It takes the directed light to bring out the detail once again because of the small working distance and the inability for the light to get where it needs to be.. Natural light rarely works with the reversed 50 set up.... I looked at your exif data and as near as I can tell you have everything else dialed in, nicely.... Good luck guys... I hope this was a help...

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Hey Alex, just for the fun of it, I mounterd my tamron 100-300, and tried handholding my kit lens reversed in front of it, I couldnt find a focal point at all, everything was blurred no matter what I tired. I set the kit lens to wide open and also the 100-300, still puzzled. I was quite interested in the " more light to focus" point you mentioned, that would be a great help! any ideas what I might be doing wrong?


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Aug 13, 2007 19:32 as a reply to  @ Alex Paul's post |  #20

Thanks Alex, thats a detailed explanation. I forgot about the need for an off camera flash, not really thinking on the physical length of the two lens setup. Since I only have the on camera flash right now, I'll have to wait(saving for a tele prime). The small working distance was a surprise as with my current setup, set at 55mm I have about 6-8 inches, maybe a little more, at 30mm( the most I can zoom in using the onboard flash) the working distance is about 3-3 1/2 inches. However the thought of having more light to focus has me intrigued. Thanks again Alex, I'll give it a try after I make an adapter to join the two lenses. thanks bud!


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Aug 13, 2007 21:08 |  #21

You're welcome brother... Take care....

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Thanks Alex, thats a detailed explanation. I forgot about the need for an off camera flash, not really thinking on the physical length of the two lens setup. Since I only have the on camera flash right now, I'll have to wait(saving for a tele prime). The small working distance was a surprise as with my current setup, set at 55mm I have about 6-8 inches, maybe a little more, at 30mm( the most I can zoom in using the onboard flash) the working distance is about 3-3 1/2 inches. However the thought of having more light to focus has me intrigued. Thanks again Alex, I'll give it a try after I make an adapter to join the two lenses. thanks bud!


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Aug 13, 2007 21:11 |  #22

OH MY GOSH.. i have never seen anything like that before. that is crazy. is it heavy?

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Aug 14, 2007 01:06 |  #23

Good series Alex :)- not mad on the flower but the lizards make up for it :)
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Aug 14, 2007 06:49 |  #24

Hi Shannon :) Women ask me that quite frequently :) ;).... Sorry had to be done :D :D It is quite heavy but manageable with practice :) The show us your macro rig sticky has a lot of good examples of different macro gear configs... It is worth a look.... Thanks a lot Shannon... I appreciate you looking ;)

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OH MY GOSH.. i have never seen anything like that before. that is crazy. is it heavy?


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Aug 14, 2007 06:50 |  #25

Thanks Brian :) Yep the little wild flower was just something different from me for a change :).. I appreciate the comment pal.... Take care

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Good series Alex :)- not mad on the flower but the lizards make up for it :)
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Aug 14, 2007 06:56 |  #26

Hi Alex great seies of shots my favourites are the Anole lizards great subject for macro as they are quite tiny
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Aug 14, 2007 13:28 |  #27

Hi there Pete :) :) Thanks man.... Glad you liked the lizards... I appreciate hearing from ya.... Take care

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Hi Alex great seies of shots my favourites are the Anole lizards great subject for macro as they are quite tiny
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