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Aug 17, 2007 19:28 |  #1

Credible Journalism?

Got a great morning post item for DT fans sent to us by an alert reader yesterday. Unfortunately, other items nudged themselves in front of this one, but we thought we’d better get it out sooner rather than later.

IMAGE: http://www.defensetech.org/images/bullets.jpg

I know there are a lot of Iraq war skeptics reading this, but if ever there was more solid proof that those who criticize Iraq war coverage by the world’s mainstream press just might have a point, I don’t know how better to distill it than with this picture...

It’s an Agence France Press photo taken by Wissam al-Okaili whose caption reads:

An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City.

Uh, huh...these bullets “hit her house” during the raid. Our readers can certainly understand how that couldn’t have been possible.
So why didn’t an editor catch this obvious error? We’ll let DT readers reach their own conclusions on that one. Obviously some of the reporters, photogs and their editors either need to go to “war coverage school” or have their own ideas on how to portray conflict to the rest of us.

I received the above item in my e-mail today... Thought it was worth posting to see what kind of discussion it generates.


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Aug 17, 2007 20:07 |  #2

i think this is a bad idea. Its just gonna start a heated argument (or so i believe). There have been arguments over things much less trivial so i dont know what the result of a discussion about such a heated topic as the iraq war.


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Aug 17, 2007 20:12 |  #3

the_incubus wrote in post #3747075 (external link)
i think this is a bad idea. Its just gonna start a heated argument (or so i believe). There have been arguments over things much less trivial so i dont know what the result of a discussion about such a heated topic as the iraq war.

Nah, this is just about uninformed (or stupid) reporters, assuming the photo and the accompanying text are really something that would have been published as the "truth".

I often get a kick about "news" stories I read or see on television which are so far off base as to be humorous.


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Aug 17, 2007 20:13 |  #4

I think that you need to post the original news photo and caption, or we can only assume the story about errors or bias in journalism is either propaganda or 3rd hand jibberish




  
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Aug 17, 2007 20:45 |  #5

freaking102 wrote in post #3747116 (external link)
I think that you need to post the original news photo and caption, or we can only assume the story about errors or bias in journalism is either propaganda or 3rd hand jibberish

I tried to find it by searching, but had no luck...


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Aug 17, 2007 20:48 |  #6

JWright wrote in post #3747248 (external link)
I tried to find it by searching, but had no luck...

I found some links to the story on another message board. But yahoo news apparently took the story down.


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Aug 17, 2007 20:56 |  #7

SkipD wrote in post #3747109 (external link)
Nah, this is just about uninformed (or stupid) reporters, assuming the photo and the accompanying text are really something that would have been published as the "truth".

I often get a kick about "news" stories I read or see on television which are so far off base as to be humorous.

ah ok, if its about the false reporting (which i guess it it considering the title :p) then cool.


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Aug 17, 2007 21:01 |  #8

SkipD wrote in post #3747109 (external link)
Nah, this is just about uninformed (or stupid) reporters, assuming the photo and the accompanying text are really something that would have been published as the "truth".

I often get a kick about "news" stories I read or see on television which are so far off base as to be humorous.

oh ok, if its about false eporting (which i guess it is considering the title :p) then cool.

I think its propaganda. Not every joe on the street knows that those were bullets in their shell and were unfired rounds. So i guess they figured that they can use that.


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Aug 17, 2007 22:18 as a reply to  @ the_incubus's post |  #9

Nah! It's true. Some yahoo threw them at her house.




  
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Aug 17, 2007 23:00 |  #10

20droger wrote in post #3747640 (external link)
Nah! It's true. Some yahoo threw them at her house.

Now are you sure it was some yahoo and not some google? I would expect something like that from AOL.


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Aug 17, 2007 23:11 |  #11

SkipD wrote in post #3747109 (external link)
Nah, this is just about uninformed (or stupid) reporters, assuming the photo and the accompanying text are really something that would have been published as the "truth".

I often get a kick about "news" stories I read or see on television which are so far off base as to be humorous.


Reporters, especially the prime time anchors, have to be among the most ignorant asses of all time. Not only do they persistently mispronounce common names, they also offend our ears with atrocious grammar.
Example: "He assumed the Van was going to run him over" Really bad reversal of subject and predicate.
Example: "The travelers were forced to wait in the aircraft out on the tarmac" Right; we have never used "tarmac" in this country and no civilized country in the world uses tarmac today. Obviously, they mean the airfield, or the runways, or the aprons. These nincompoops learned the word 'tarmac' from old British war movies and are too stupid to know the difference between 'tarmac' and concrete!




  
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Aug 18, 2007 02:27 |  #12

I thought 'credible journalism' was an oxymoron nowadays. :rolleyes:


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Aug 18, 2007 03:21 |  #13

JWright wrote in post #3746813 (external link)
Credible Journalism?

I received the above item in my e-mail today... Thought it was worth posting to see what kind of discussion it generates.

I think those were liberal canadian journalists that made the caption. :lol:

Those idiots found a SVD STOCK on a farm. The title read something like: "high power assault rifle found on a farm"

All you need is a receiver... and a barrel. :rolleyes:

And other hacks on TV say about AR-15:
It is extremely easy to convert that weapon to fully automatic fire. Actually it takes less than a minute. All you need is one part - this gets me curious.

The guy proceeds to take off the AR-15 receiver and puts the receiver from M16. Voila - that easy.


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Aug 18, 2007 04:27 |  #14

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #3748643 (external link)
I think those were liberal canadian journalists that made the caption. :lol:

Those idiots found a SVD STOCK on a farm. The title read something like: "high power assault rifle found on a farm"

All you need is a receiver... and a barrel. :rolleyes:

And other hacks on TV say about AR-15:
It is extremely easy to convert that weapon to fully automatic fire. Actually it takes less than a minute. All you need is one part - this gets me curious.

The guy proceeds to take off the AR-15 receiver and puts the receiver from M16. Voila - that easy.

Yeah, like the lower receiver from an M-16 is readily available on the open market.......

As to the bullets....they probably did hit her house. Just like they did two months ago. The stringer that AFP uses for these photos is a hack. He's been caught doing ME fauxtography many times.


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Aug 18, 2007 07:27 |  #15

DocFrankenstein wrote in post #3748643 (external link)
I think those were liberal canadian journalists that made the caption. :lol:

Those idiots found a SVD STOCK on a farm. The title read something like: "high power assault rifle found on a farm"

All you need is a receiver... and a barrel. :rolleyes:

And other hacks on TV say about AR-15:
It is extremely easy to convert that weapon to fully automatic fire. Actually it takes less than a minute. All you need is one part - this gets me curious.

The guy proceeds to take off the AR-15 receiver and puts the receiver from M16. Voila - that easy.

Actually, i agree with you with everything up to the AR-15 part. I dont know if it takes less then a minute to install (it takes afew :))but there is a part out there (easily available at most gun shows and the internet) that turns your Ar-15 (also for different semi-auto assault rifles) into fully automatic. So, the reporter is not that dumb...well actually he is but is correct in this instance. :)


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