New Kit Lens and 55-200 released! With IS!!

ed rader wrote in post #3760499
canon is getting its assed kicked by nikon on the low end and this is its attempt to play catch up.

so much for that 50-150 f2.8 some of you have been looking for or a quality 18-200 IS.

sure these lenses are a good value for the money....if that's what you are looking for.

the only lenses that would interest me at this time are a stabilized 24-70L or 24-85L and maybe a $1500 400L f5.6 IS.

ed rader

Ed-I already have a very good 50-150mm 2.8 lens. I was thinking $1300 for that 400mm f/5.6L IS and maybe a $800 200mm f2.8L IS.

I read somewhere the 55-250 won't be sold in The USA for awhile.
But I think it's a wake up call to Sigma and Tamron .

Personally, I think Canon is doing a wise thing and a good thing. As others have said, these lenses are not for pixel peepers and L'coholics. They are for the consumer who is buying the XTi. Most consumers don't understand about aperture and shutter speed - in my opinion, when they start to learn and comprehend these things, they become "amateurs" or "novice" photographers. Otherwise they are just "consumer shooters" with SLRs - that's what "AUTO" mode is for

For those users having the extra stop or two that IS can provide is great. Now Canon just needs to market this properly. I do agree that they have lost ground to Nikon, and if a company loses business to the bottom level, they eventually lose it to the mid as well because people move up with the equipment they know. My wife "jumped ship" (BOO - HISS) a couple of months ago and bought a D80. While I am not that big of a fan, I will say that it's a nice camera. She bought the 55-200 VR thinking it would give her some better results. I think I've FINALLY made her understand that it only works when shooting still targets (i.e. no good for sports) but most "cosumer shooters" just don't know or understand or care, but if they are told that they can get better shots with image stabilization, they'll eat it up....

Layston wrote in post #3760936
Personally, I think Canon is doing a wise thing and a good thing. As others have said, these lenses are not for pixel peepers and L'coholics. They are for the consumer who is buying the XTi. Most consumers don't understand about aperture and shutter speed - in my opinion, when they start to learn and comprehend these things, they become "amateurs" or "novice" photographers. Otherwise they are just "consumer shooters" with SLRs - that's what "AUTO" mode is for

For those users having the extra stop or two that IS can provide is great. Now Canon just needs to market this properly. I do agree that they have lost ground to Nikon, and if a company loses business to the bottom level, they eventually lose it to the mid as well because people move up with the equipment they know. My wife "jumped ship" (BOO - HISS) a couple of months ago and bought a D80. While I am not that big of a fan, I will say that it's a nice camera. She bought the 55-200 VR thinking it would give her some better results. I think I've FINALLY made her understand that it only works when shooting still targets (i.e. no good for sports) but most "cosumer shooters" just don't know or understand or care, but if they are told that they can get better shots with image stabilization, they'll eat it up....

canon has no choice but to play catch-up. FF doesn't appear to be taking off so instead of leading canon is following.

looking ahead can you imagine if the 40d's successor had a 1.3 crop sensor? hoo boy that would shake things up a bit !

ed rader

CountryBoy wrote in post #3760842
Ed-I already have a very good 50-150mm 2.8 lens. I was thinking $1300 for that 400mm f/5.6L IS and maybe a $800 200mm f2.8L IS.

I read somewhere the 55-250 won't be sold in The USA for awhile.
But I think it's a wake up call to Sigma and Tamron .

i'll take one of each at that price !

ed rader

ed rader wrote in post #3761382
canon has no choice but to play catch-up. FF doesn't appear to be taking off so instead of leading canon is following.

looking ahead can you imagine if the 40d's successor had a 1.3 crop sensor? hoo boy that would shake things up a bit !

ed rader

Catch up ? I think they are blowing them out of the water !

CountryBoy wrote in post #3761397
Catch up ? I think they are blowing them out of the water !

i dunno....nikon has kicked canon's butt on the low end. canon used to have 75% of the DSLR market.

ed rader

I think these new IS lens will help. I think the Xti is still the best "low end" camera out there.

If people would look ahead, when they buy their 1st DSLR, they would go with Canon.
I did and it seemed Canon had more to offer.

Oh I don't know why, but that 200mm 2.8L is a lens I have developed a "lust" for.
I can't say I need it, I just want it. IS would make it even sweeter. If they didn't raise the price very much !

I am of the opinion that the new IS mechanism is of far greater interest than whether a yet to be physically released lens is "crap" or not. Yes these two lenses are marketed and priced toward the lower priced end of the market, however as most of the professional reviewers have stated these "Kit" lenses are capable of taking good photographs, If you want cheep lets talk Holga But wait this camera and lens is a classic and and the tremendous amount of distortion is 'artistic'. Somewhere I am missing something, or perhaps not (could it be that there are those who only judge by the size price tag?).

Wayne

WMS wrote in post #3761553
I am of the opinion that the new IS mechanism is of far greater interest than whether a yet to be physically released lens is "crap" or not. Yes these two lenses are marketed and priced toward the lower priced end of the market, however as most of the professional reviewers have stated these "Kit" lenses are capable of taking good photographs, If you want cheep lets talk Holga But wait this camera and lens is a classic and and the tremendous amount of distortion is 'artistic'. Somewhere I am missing something, or perhaps not (could it be that there are those who only judge by the size price tag?).

Wayne

how cheap do you want?

canon already has the 17-85 and 70-300.

soon you'll be able to buy a rebel and both of these two new IS zooms for under a grand.

that may help canon recapture some squandered market share but doesn't do anything for me .

ed rader

WMS wrote in post #3761553
I am of the opinion that the new IS mechanism is of far greater interest than whether a yet to be physically released lens is "crap" or not........

Wayne

I think you are right .

I might get one of the kit lenses just to see how it is. I don't do a lot of action, but I could see it being pretty alright for landscapes and such. The original kit lens was quite good at f8 or so, and in fairly low light, that is where the IS would be helpful. It won't replace top quality lenses, but I could see it having it's place. If nothing else, it might be nice when you want something small and light.

My Tamron AF 55- 200mm 1:4 - 5.6 lens has decided it doesn't want to play with my 400D Canon camera anymore. I keep getting an Error 99, should I replace it with this new Canon lens or am I going to be wasting my money?
If anyone knows what's:o going on here with the Err 99 code, please enlighten me.

photorefresh wrote in post #3763592
My Tamron AF 55- 200mm 1:4 - 5.6 lens has decided it doesn't want to play with my 400D Canon camera anymore. I keep getting an Error 99, should I replace it with this new Canon lens or am I going to be wasting my money?
If anyone knows what's:o going on here with the Err 99 code, please enlighten me.

It could be that the Tamron needs to be re chipped. However if it worked at one time, and you have not updated the software of the 400D I might be incorrect. I would contact Tamron and ask for there opinion. Replacing your present lens with a Canon lens would avoid the reverse engineering problem which third party lens manufacturers have.

Wayne

Re Canon's falling behind in the DSLR market, I'm not so sure that Nikon is the company Canon should be concerned about, Sony comes to mind as a threat, however.

Right now the Lens library which Canon has gives Canon a big lead, however considering how aggressive Sony has been in other markets doubt that this will last, remember Sony makes some very good professional video equipment and those lenses aren't all that different from 35mm SLR lenses, Sony also owns the rights to the Minolta lens line, which seems to be all they are marketing at present, but I suspect that this is changing fast.

Wayne

WMS wrote in post #3763644
It could be that the Tamron needs to be re chipped. However if it worked at one time, and you have not updated the software of the 400D I might be incorrect. I would contact Tamron and ask for there opinion. Replacing your present lens with a Canon lens would avoid the reverse engineering problem which third party lens manufacturers have.

Wayne

Wayne,

Thanks for your quick response.
Up until now I haven't had a problem with it, it's been a nice lens.
Will have to talk to tamron.

Cheers