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D3 high ISO pix - FYI only

 
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Aug 31, 2007 08:55 |  #1

Stumbled across a post from a Chinese photography forum with high ISO pix by Nikon's D3 preproduction unit. The OP of that post allows usage of the photos but requires stating the soucre.

Please make your own observation and draw your own conclusion.

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From: http://bbs.fengniao.co​m/forum/showthread.php​?t=706530 (external link)

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IMAGE: http://img3.fengniao.com/forum/attachpics/84/72/3334282.jpg

ISO 200 100% crop
IMAGE: http://img3.fengniao.com/forum/attachpics/84/70/3333981.jpg

ISO 400 100% crop
IMAGE NOT FOUND
IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE


ISO 800 100% crop
IMAGE: http://img3.fengniao.com/forum/attachpics/84/70/3333983.jpg

ISO 1600 100% crop
IMAGE: http://img3.fengniao.com/forum/attachpics/84/70/3333985.jpg

ISO 3200 100% crop
IMAGE: http://img3.fengniao.com/forum/attachpics/84/70/3333992.jpg

ISO 6400 100% crop
IMAGE: http://img3.fengniao.com/forum/attachpics/84/70/3333993.jpg

ISO 8000 100% crop
IMAGE: http://img3.fengniao.com/forum/attachpics/84/70/3333995.jpg



  
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Aug 31, 2007 08:57 |  #2

ISO 10000 100% crop

IMAGE: http://img3.fengniao.com/forum/attachpics/84/70/3333996.jpg

ISO 12800 100% crop
IMAGE: http://img3.fengniao.com/forum/attachpics/84/70/3333998.jpg



  
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Aug 31, 2007 09:01 |  #3

i hate to admit it but these are exceptionally clean coming from a Nikon! hopefully, the production D3's come out the same way and were not just seeing a souped up marketing gimmick :) COMPETITION IS GOOD MAH FRIEND!




  
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Aug 31, 2007 09:16 |  #4

Surprisingly useable. You can see the drop in quality as you cross 3200, but I'm impressed that they can give it a 2-stop push and still make it. You lose detail and their noise reduction seems to be cutting in as well, but it's useable at all - I wouldn't think my 5D can be pushed that far.

Competition is good, I agree. Perhaps the 5DM2 will be a truly impressive product because of the D3.




  
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Aug 31, 2007 09:32 |  #5

I am hoping it pushes the next 5d. I want/need a full frame camera, and the D3 is looking mighty tempting. I wish I needed the extra pixels of the mk III Ds, but I just do mostly web and print material, so it is hard to justify. Please oh please Canon, have some good news for me.




  
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Aug 31, 2007 09:46 |  #6

OK...my intent is not to bash another manufacturer or anything like that, so anybody who wants to start a flame war will get Great Wise Chief Belmondo sitting on top of them very soon. (trust me, you DO NOT want that to happen. ;) )

However I am a curious person who wants to find out what a 5D looks like at ISO 12800. I shot these images at 3200 exposure-comped to -2EV and then pushed in DPP +2EV.

5D ISO 12800 plain image:

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5D ISO 12800 hit with EVERY noise reduction option in DPP that I could find: (using version 3.0.2 with luminance and chroma noise reduction system)
IMG NOTICE: [NOT AN IMAGE URL, NOT RENDERED INLINE]
http://pix.lightrefine​ries.org …IMAGES-NOT-ALLOWED-d3ef)-



  
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Aug 31, 2007 09:50 |  #7

not bad at all Lightstream! it definitely has more grain but at least the 5D kept the details intact (even with Noise reduction).

im comparing the detail from the 18mm marker on the Nikon shot and the 28mm marker on the 5D shot.




  
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Aug 31, 2007 09:59 |  #8

I've also been doing some work with B&W film, recently I pushed Kodak T-Max (TMY) 400 to a frightening ISO 6400 - that's four stops. I actually got useable footage out of it.

So I decided to see what happens when you remove the very distracting color grains (chroma noise) completely by desaturating the image. Again all converted using DPP, except this time I used the Monochrome picture style to remove the color.

Crop - it still looks pretty bad and fuzzy.

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Full image, which was deliberately resized (which also greatly helps) for 'production' use:
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I am VERY surprised one can get something so useable with digital.. the T-Max film had shadow detail crushed out like you wouldn't imagine, uneven performance across the frame, it looked like those bad 19th century photos. And this is at ISO 12800!!



  
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Aug 31, 2007 10:24 |  #9

ok im going to go across the grain (pun intended) it looks crap (the d3)

iso 200 is not even as sharp as the 5d is 1200iso


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Aug 31, 2007 11:28 as a reply to  @ Zilly's post |  #10

actually, iso wise these are amazingly good. Leaps and bounds ahead of what Nikon's been producing. The details are a little soft on the high end but still...this looks like a camera to be reckoned with!


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Aug 31, 2007 12:39 |  #11

Zilly wrote in post #3833802 (external link)
ok im going to go across the grain (pun intended) it looks crap (the d3)

iso 200 is not even as sharp as the 5d is 1200iso

totally different lens, totally different situation...it's not a sharpness comparison.

I'm pretty impressed by both examples.


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Aug 31, 2007 13:04 |  #12

bacchanal wrote in post #3834683 (external link)
totally different lens, totally different situation...it's not a sharpness comparison.

I'm pretty impressed by both examples.

you would still expect a 5K or how ever much it cost camera to be reasonably sharp and why the fudge wouldnt u put a decent lens on it

bit like owning a ferrari and putting economy tires on:rolleyes:

these all luck like thay have had a really bad nn set up run over them


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Aug 31, 2007 13:44 |  #13

Zilly wrote in post #3834886 (external link)
you would still expect a 5K or how ever much it cost camera to be reasonably sharp and why the fudge wouldnt u put a decent lens on it

bit like owning a ferrari and putting economy tires on:rolleyes:

these all luck like thay have had a really bad nn set up run over them

So what...you've come to the conclusion based on these shots that the D3 can't produce sharp images at ISO 200?


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Aug 31, 2007 14:00 |  #14

in one word YEP


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Aug 31, 2007 14:58 |  #15

i wonder what happened when canon saw this.

meh i bet new cameras just after chrissmass.


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