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Sep 03, 2007 19:24 |  #16

I really do. I've always been interested in photography, but never had much reason to get into it. I picked up an Canon S3 IS last week for the zoom and boy I'm drooling for an SLR already. I know I should have saved up and just went that route but my son started soccer today and I wanted something that could get me a little closer now. The pics I shot today turned out pretty good.

Sports photography would be my area too. I have always admired the shots in magazines like SI, ESPN, etc. So seeing yours just touched a nerve. The small DOF with focus on the players makes it really stand out.

I agree with the hokie guy above, you should 'try' to make it to the VT/UM game. It'll be a big one and Lane stadium is absoutely cRaZy.

But again. Great pics.




  
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Sep 03, 2007 19:33 |  #17

kantonburg wrote in post #3854736 (external link)
I really do. I've always been interested in photography, but never had much reason to get into it. I picked up an Canon S3 IS last week for the zoom and boy I'm drooling for an SLR already. I know I should have saved up and just went that route but my son started soccer today and I wanted something that could get me a little closer now. The pics I shot today turned out pretty good.

Sports photography would be my area too. I have always admired the shots in magazines like SI, ESPN, etc. So seeing yours just touched a nerve. The small DOF with focus on the players makes it really stand out.

I agree with the hokie guy above, you should 'try' to make it to the VT/UM game. It'll be a big one and Lane stadium is absoutely cRaZy.

But again. Great pics.

Much thanks for you comments, i really appreciate it. DSLR's definitely make sports a lot easier to shoot well, but can easily become an expensive toy. Best of Luck with your soccer shots :D.


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Sep 04, 2007 22:40 |  #18

#3 stands out to me the most. "cant touch this" picture eh.




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Sep 04, 2007 22:42 |  #19

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Okay now what the heck are people doing to get these amazing pictures. And why do mine keep coming out like crap. It just doesn't matter what I do withg the settings. This is what I get.

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johnny, dont mean to be rude..but is thread jacking allowed? heres a tip, try to get on the sideline. you'll get much better photos then the one posted. ask the HS principle if its possible for you to get on the field. more than likey he'll say no, but if your kid/s on the team, he'll agreed. just say your shooting for the team.




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Sep 04, 2007 22:48 |  #20

Johnny,

Not sure if you're serious or not...

The data from your shot is: Canon PowerShot A710 IS, 1/30s f/4.0 7.7mm . First of all, the shutter speed is WAY too slow, the focal length is WAY too short, and even if these two are improved, there is no action happening in your image - players are just standing around getting ready for a play.

I'm not familiar with the A710, but action photography requires long glass (200mm minimum for football, and this is when you're shooting from the sidelines), wide apertures (especially shooting at night, where I wouldn't even think about not shooting wide open - I don't own a single lens smaller than a f/2.8 ), higher ISO's to allow you to maintain high shutter speeds (for night shooting), and fast shutter speeds (>1/400 - higher if possible). You don't necessarily HAVE to have a DSLR. I've been playing around with with my wife's S5 IS and found it does amazingly well for being a P&S camera.


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Sep 05, 2007 01:47 |  #21

Great pics....love every color.




  
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Sep 06, 2007 09:26 |  #22

JohnnyGalaga wrote in post #3868295 (external link)
But if I turn the shutter speed to a faster speed, the picture gets way too dark. If I open the F to a lower number like 2.8 or whatever, the focus is not consistent from one side of the picture to another. How do I adjust the focval length? If I increase the ISO then the stupid picture gets really dusty looking. It's like there's no way to win.

And what's a "P&S camera" ?

P&S = Point and Shoot i.e. non SLR

I'm a complete noob here so I'm just replying to give you something to ponder on or research in the time being so take my answer with a grain of salt. I'm sure someone else with more exprience will chime in. But from what I understand having the F wide open is what they're looking for in this thread or type of shooting. Subject in focus and everything else blurred out. Upping the ISO in a P&S (espcially at night) is just a downside to a non-SLR camera. SLR's handle higher ISOs much better and cut down on the noise. This can be corrected somewhat with software. Look into the program NeatImage. I've used it and it works well with removing noise from images.

Hope that helps some :oops:




  
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Sep 06, 2007 11:28 |  #23

JohnnyGalaga wrote in post #3868295 (external link)
But if I turn the shutter speed to a faster speed, the picture gets way too dark. If I open the F to a lower number like 2.8 or whatever, the focus is not consistent from one side of the picture to another. How do I adjust the focval length? If I increase the ISO then the stupid picture gets really dusty looking. It's like there's no way to win.

And what's a "P&S camera" ?

Johnny,

You're asking good, but very basic questions.

If you raise the shutter speed to better capture action, you are cutting down the amount of light that gets into the camera. Therefore, you need to increase the ISO (sensitivity) and/or widen the aperture. As you discovered, raising the ISO increases the sensitivity to light but at the cost of increasing the amount of noise in an image (you called it "dusty looking"), and opening the aperture up decreases the Depth of Field.

You say "It's like there's no way to win", but there is: you are bumping into the limitations of your camera, and discovering why DSLR's and their associated lenses cost so much more than your camera did. However, there are ways to improve your shooting and get better results. You just need to learn how to use the camera you have. Have you read the manual?

As mentioned above, DSLR's tend to handle higher ISO's better than P&S cameras, but getting a noise reduction program like Neat Image or Noise NInja will allow you to shoot at higher ISO's and fix the noise in post processing.

You are limited in how wide of an aperture you can shoot at - limited by the integrated lens on your camera, but you should still be able to shoot in Aperture Priority (Av) or Manual and set it to its widest (smallest number) setting.

I did a little research and found that your lens length is the equivalent of a 35-210mm zoom. 210mm is a little short to shoot football, especially from the stands. So, as suggested, you might want to explore getting closer to the sidelines.

In addition, maximum apertures vary from f/2.8 to f/4.8 across the zoom range (the smaller apertures are what you will get at the longer focal lengths). These are not bad for a P&S..

The ISO range equivalent is from 80 to 800, while shutter speeds from 1/2000 to 15 seconds are possible.

Automatic, Program AE, Shutter Priority, Aperture Priority, and Manual exposure modes are available. This is all in your manual which you might want to read.

You ask how to change the focal length, which leads me to believe you haven't read your operations manual . Have I mentioned you should read the manual?!

According to the online manual I found after a 20 second Google search, "Zoom Lever: Surrounding the Shutter button on the top panel, this lever controls the optical and digital zoom while in Record mode." Speaking of zoom, the first thing you should do is disable the "Digital Zoom" as this "feature" produces garbage results.

This should get you started...

Dennis


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Sep 06, 2007 11:38 |  #24

Johnny,

I read this last night and it's very helpful. Examples and comparisons to help explain some of the things there were especially confusing to me when I started out. Lessons 1-10 are basic and would be informative to anyone regardless of camera.

http://www.usa.canon.c​om …torial/rebelxtl​essons.htm (external link)




  
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Sep 07, 2007 08:54 |  #25

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Thank God for football!

AMEN!


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Sep 07, 2007 14:05 |  #26

op. awesome shots. I'll be looking forward to seeing more from now on.

i hate you and your press pass... sorry.

go canes.

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