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Sep 05, 2007 19:17 |  #151

OK, I downloaded both, and looked at them side-by-side. The 5D has a tiny bit more detail on the suede and in the eyes. And, it does produce a bit richer colors.

Also, the 5D produces a good bit nicer background blur, but that is a characteristic of format size, not the 5D in particular.

I also resized the 5D to 3888 X 2592, same pixel dimensions as the 40D image. In this case, the 5D definately holds finer detail on the focus plane, but it's noise advantage is still very small, perhaps insignificant at least in this image. In particular, the eyes are sharper as well as the beads on the poncho.


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Sep 05, 2007 20:39 |  #152

gooble wrote in post #3868297 (external link)
I am not personally offended by anything that is said on POTN. I neither own a 40D, 5D or any 1D camera, nor have I used any of them. I was simply interested in the LL article and welcome the possibility that the 40D matches, or perhaps surpasses, the performance of the 5D. Given the opportunity I would like to purchase a 5D and a 40D.

I am surprised that all hell has broken loose because of the article and the strident and outright rejection of the articles assumption. "Guilty till proven innocent" as somebody put it. I find it funny and a little odd that people have reacted this way. I on the other hand thought it was interesting and that it would be great if it were true. I'd also like to wait until other impressions/reviews are published and see what they say. But some here though, immediately point and shout "Impossible! Where's the proof?" I think it is a little petty and premature.


This will probably be the last that I say about MR's credibility in the realm of image quality judgments, because I find myself saying the same things over and over again, which is both boring to me and annoying to others. Gooble, did you do what I asked you to do (pretty please with sprinkles on top?) in one of my previous posts--look at the 1DIII ISO 3200 vs. 1DIIN ISO 1600? If so, do you agree with me that the 1DIII's ISO 3200 is noisier than the 1DIIN's ISO 1600, hence the 1DIII's noise improvement is less than 1 stop? Hard evidence like this that doesn't line up with his subjective impressions of image quality (1-2 stops improvement, he said) is why I tend to be immediately skeptical about any comparative image quality claims he makes, including the one about the 40D vs. 5D. I'm not saying you have to be the same way; I'm just asking you to understand the reasoning and see that it's not exactly unreasonable to think this way.

How do you know whether to trust a review? You look at the reviewer's track record. IMO (which you certainly don't have to agree with), MR has shown a tendency to make strong statements comparing image quality of 2 cameras that go against conventional wisdom without backing it up with hard evidence. When this is the case, considering his track record in this area, I tend to disbelieve him until I see proof to corroborate his claims, because his claims have been shown to be off the mark in the past. Exaggerated and over-exuberant, if you will. I'm not impugning his integrity as a person--he's probably absolutely convinced of the truth of his judgment and as such is simply giving his sincere opinion. I just hold what I consider a healthy suspicion of any such claims he makes based on prior performance, that's all. I've never gone so far as to say that his claims are impossible; just that they shouldn't be swallowed whole because IMO he's not the most reliable authority in this area.

And now, back to the fun stuff--comparing 40D vs. 5D images. Anybody else find comparison tests that you can post here? Early comparisons are looking really good for the 40D!




  
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Sep 05, 2007 20:49 |  #153

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #3869595 (external link)
And now, back to the fun stuff--comparing 40D vs. 5D images. Anybody else find comparison tests that you can post here? Early comparisons are looking really good for the 40D!

Yes, discussion about the One series is a bit off topic.

I think we are all anxiously awaiting some more controlled tests on this new Canon.

Until I saw the dpreview photos of the doll, I was sure my next body would be another 30D or a 5D - now I'm going to take my time and wait for more information.


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Sep 06, 2007 04:58 |  #154

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" I find that the IQ of the 40D is on a par if not even slightly better than that of the Canon 5D"


say whaaa?? very interesting indeed

Maybe true, but it's still not full-frame. :)

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Sep 06, 2007 05:17 |  #155

kenyc wrote in post #3872027 (external link)
Maybe true, but it's still not full-frame. :)

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What is so special about full-frame for the sake of it?




  
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Sep 06, 2007 05:43 |  #156

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What is so special about full-frame for the sake of it?

The composition capability related to lens focal length and the number of pixels to work with.

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Sep 06, 2007 06:11 |  #157

I take it then that you don't regard 10 megapixels enough?




  
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Sep 06, 2007 06:18 |  #158

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I take it then that you don't regard 10 megapixels enough?

It's the real estate, not the pixel count.


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Sep 06, 2007 06:39 |  #159

Roy Mathers wrote in post #3872215 (external link)
I take it then that you don't regard 10 megapixels enough?

That's not the point and I didn't say that. :)

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Sep 06, 2007 09:36 |  #160

kenyc wrote in post #3872312 (external link)
That's not the point and I didn't say that. :)

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Sorry, did I misunderstand? You said 'and the number of pixels to work with'.:rolleyes:




  
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Sep 06, 2007 09:41 |  #161

Roy Mathers wrote in post #3873401 (external link)
Sorry, did I misunderstand? You said 'and the number of pixels to work with'.:rolleyes:

Yes. You took your own meaning from it.

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Sep 06, 2007 11:34 |  #162

kenyc wrote in post #3872142 (external link)
The composition capability related to lens focal length and the number of pixels to work with.

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What is the meaning please?


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Sep 06, 2007 11:38 |  #163

Am I mistaken or is comparing one camera's ISO 3200 to another's 1600 not the only way to say that it gained a stop in noise improvment. What if the 1DIII's ISO 800 is now equal to the 1DII's 400. Couldn't you claim that it gained a stop? It seems from the outside that the newer noise improvements can really be seen in the 400 to 800 range, which are now quite usable, while the high iso's are still showing a bit more noise and that looking at ISO 1600 and 3200 is not the only way to measure it.


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Sep 06, 2007 12:33 |  #164

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Am I mistaken or is comparing one camera's ISO 3200 to another's 1600 not the only way to say that it gained a stop in noise improvment. What if the 1DIII's ISO 800 is now equal to the 1DII's 400. Couldn't you claim that it gained a stop? It seems from the outside that the newer noise improvements can really be seen in the 400 to 800 range, which are now quite usable, while the high iso's are still showing a bit more noise and that looking at ISO 1600 and 3200 is not the only way to measure it.

That's certainly possible. The noise curve isn't linear after all, so the relative noise levels at different ISOs might compare more favorably at lower ISOs than higher ISOs. Personally though, I'm not worried about the lower ISOs, which are clean enough. It's 1600 and above where noise starts to bother me. 800 is kind of in limbo--not noisy enough to complain about but noisy enough to be reluctant to use. Not that I would mind if the lower ISOs were even cleaner, but the high ISOs are the important ones for my use. If there ever is a camera that has an ISO 3200 that looks like today's ISO 800, that would be my last camera ever (yeah, right :D).




  
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Sep 06, 2007 19:54 |  #165

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What is the meaning please?

That there is no "crop factor" so the "wide angle" lenses are just that and the greater number of pixels is just more detail that can be worked with when doing post processing.

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