1DsMKIII or wait for Nikon flagship? is the hype real?

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I'm looking to upgrade, and was stoked for the the DsMKIII, I told myself that by the time it came out the AF issues would be resolved and I would have one of the greatest cameras on earth. I told myself that there are many people who have a MKIII w/no problems and alot of the people who compained initially were non MKIII owners who were just hating on the people who had them. but there were so amny complaints it was hard to ignore, Then it seems all the Ds talk stopped when the Nikon D3 was announced it was like a bomb went off, and at other forums people who have tried the D3 are speaking up claiming it is the best camera ever, raving about quality and resolution, so my question to the forum .... is this all hype?, the nikon camp makes it sound like its that star trek camera picture (we've all seen it 5000 times please dont post it again), should I jump ship and wait for the Nikon flagship, I dont want to-(they dont have any forums as good as this one and their fanboys are delusional to have claimed that FF was unnecesary ) have some lenses not alot so its no a big factor, I'd be deluded to not take into account all the claims made by D3 testers (never heard any great claims aobut MKIII just focus complaints) so is the D3 hype real?

Well, your only spending anywhere from $8,000 for the Canon and I think $4,500 or so for the Nikon. I would personally wait,it's only a few months away until the D3 comes out to the Market as in stores, November 2007. If anything, the price may come down and maybe, possibly save anger and stress. You could find out which camera you enjoy the best. It also depends on what you have as in equipment as far as needing right now such as for shoots or or for you job. Good come to those who wait.

This one is pretty good.

http://www.nikonians.o​rg/

I really can’t understand how a Nikon D3 could be compared to a EOS 1Ds MkII/III.

The D3 has almost the same resolution as a 5D and almost the same speed as a 1D MkIII. It has a FF sensor like the 5D – and probably for the first time it will be competitive regarding noise, thus combining the key features of the two Canon bodies. So I could understand, if the D3 was tempting for everyone – except the 1Ds MkII/III Shooters.

The 1Ds/MkIII is a challenge for the picture quality of low end medium format. Everybody who wants/needs that in a highly versatile and highly transportable package, with enough speed to even shoot sports, will consider this camera. If one doesn’t need the resolution and the speed, would probably go for the 5D, because its cheaper and offers the opportunity to use Nikkor lenses as well.

I like the sound of the D3. That horizon level feature sounds interesting.

Bad question for this board, the 1DsMIII of course

Ive seen a few shots from the D3, and although they are the best Ive seen from a Nikon(noise wise) The Canons still have the edge. Until I see more I am not willing to believe any of the claims.

You havent said what your primary use for the camera would be, but based one the limited info Nikon is providing, and the few reports coming from a small amount of people that have gotten to use the the new nikons I will make a few comparisons(I reserve the right to change my opinions when more info is available). IVe owned a 5D, and currently own a 1D M III and 40D.

1. The first thing that jumps out at me that Nikon has yet to confirm or deny. Both cameras lose FPS when shooting in RAW mode. The D300 goes from 6.5 FPS in Jpeg to just under 3 FPS in RAW mode, and the D3 goes from 9 FPS Full Resolution Jpeg a second to 4.5 FPS in RAW. The 11 FPS is only available if you shoot with DX lenses wich limits the camera to 5 Mega Pixels.

2. The D3 isnt a true FF sensor, it is actually a 1.1x it is very close and may not make very much of a differance, but still isnt technically a FF camera.

3. The 5D is less than half the price of the D3, has the same Mega Pixel count(actually a bit larger but both are 12 MP). The 5D is a tre FF camera, and based on some of the Example I have seen the 5D still holds the High ISO title.

4. The 1Ds Mk III still is unchallanged by anything for total resolution( in the 35mm DSLR arena). So if you need the most resolution pssible from a 35mm style DSLR the is no other option.

5. 1D Mk III. I have had no issues with focus on mine, and Im sure the issues other are haveing will be fixed before the new Nikons hit the streets. the 1D3 is capable of 10 FPS full res shots regardles of Raw or Jpeg. There are some Nikon Sports/Wildlife shooters that are not happy about losing the 1.5x sensor, I read where one even said he nortgaged his house to buy as many D2Xs as he could before they were gone.

So the conclusion I have reached at the current time is...

Nikon has created a camera that is a Jack of all trades, but master of none.

I am unable to find any full res shots from the D3 online, but I have a few that were given to me( and since I didnt take them I am not posting them because of Copy Rite). I cant speak deffinitively on the D3s ISO performance. But I will post a link to a full res D300 6400 ISO shot. Its not the best shot the Camera may be capable of, I can say thet the 1D3 retains much nore detail at ISO 6400. SO for now the D300 seems to be more hype than substance.

This is a large file so it will take time for it to downlaod...

D300 ISO 6400 #1

D300 ISO 6400 #2

And jsut fro a comparison...

1D3 ISO 6400

The 1D3 is a controlled test, but I am sure others may have samples to post, and if not I will try and take some to post myself. I usually dont shot above ISO 800, but I will try and get some 6400s.

Next year, there will be an announcement regarding Nikon's answer to the 1Ds...

The Nikonian podcast was hinting last week that there is something "expensive" coming early next year. If I were you I would just hold off until early next year given how good the D3 looks they might come out with something amazing to combat the 1Ds.

I can't understand though why Nikon would target the 1Ds. Think about it, medium format cameras are dropping in price on a yearly basis. I think of the 1Ds as a "studio" camera and if i were doing studio work I would opt for a medium format over both canon and nikon....

I think the smart thing for Nikon would have been to let the 1Ds compete with the mdium formats..... But what do i know.... my 2 cents..

Believe the hype.

wilvoeka wrote in post #3893571
Ive seen a few shots from the D3, and although they are the best Ive seen from a Nikon(noise wise) The Canons still have the edge. Until I see more I am not willing to believe any of the claims.

You havent said what your primary use for the camera would be, but based one the limited info Nikon is providing, and the few reports coming from a small amount of people that have gotten to use the the new nikons I will make a few comparisons(I reserve the right to change my opinions when more info is available). IVe owned a 5D, and currently own a 1D M III and 40D.

1. The first thing that jumps out at me that Nikon has yet to confirm or deny. Both cameras lose FPS when shooting in RAW mode. The D300 goes from 6.5 FPS in Jpeg to just under 3 FPS in RAW mode, and the D3 goes from 9 FPS Full Resolution Jpeg a second to 4.5 FPS in RAW. The 11 FPS is only available if you shoot with DX lenses wich limits the camera to 5 Mega Pixels.

2. The D3 isnt a true FF sensor, it is actually a 1.1x it is very close and may not make very much of a differance, but still isnt technically a FF camera.

3. The 5D is less than half the price of the D3, has the same Mega Pixel count(actually a bit larger but both are 12 MP). The 5D is a tre FF camera, and based on some of the Example I have seen the 5D still holds the High ISO title.

4. The 1Ds Mk III still is unchallanged by anything for total resolution( in the 35mm DSLR arena). So if you need the most resolution pssible from a 35mm style DSLR the is no other option.

5. 1D Mk III. I have had no issues with focus on mine, and Im sure the issues other are haveing will be fixed before the new Nikons hit the streets. the 1D3 is capable of 10 FPS full res shots regardles of Raw or Jpeg. There are some Nikon Sports/Wildlife shooters that are not happy about losing the 1.5x sensor, I read where one even said he nortgaged his house to buy as many D2Xs as he could before they were gone.

So the conclusion I have reached at the current time is...

Nikon has created a camera that is a Jack of all trades, but master of none.

I am unable to find any full res shots from the D3 online, but I have a few that were given to me( and since I didnt take them I am not posting them because of Copy Rite). I cant speak deffinitively on the D3s ISO performance. But I will post a link to a full res D300 6400 ISO shot. Its not the best shot the Camera may be capable of, I can say thet the 1D3 retains much nore detail at ISO 6400. SO for now the D300 seems to be more hype than substance.

This is a large file so it will take time for it to downlaod...

D300 ISO 6400 #1

D300 ISO 6400 #2

And jsut fro a comparison...

1D3 ISO 6400

The 1D3 is a controlled test, but I am sure others may have samples to post, and if not I will try and take some to post myself. I usually dont shot above ISO 800, but I will try and get some 6400s.

I'm sorry, this is not a personal attack on you, but your post is utter fanboy nonsense.

The D3 is FF, and I haven't seen anyting about 4.5FPS raw mode anywhere! The D3 on paper, bests the MkIII in almost every category and is meant to compete direclty with it. There are plenty of amazing high ISO shots of the D3 floating around.
There is a thread in DP which a pro canon user talks about his experience with the D3 at a baseball game. and he was VERY complimentary!!!

The raw FPS for the d300 drops when you use 14bit instead of 12bit,otherwise you can go up to 8FPS!
You also convieniently left out the fact that D300 can do 8 FPS with the grip.
You are comparing the D300 to the 1DMkIII, which is ridiculous!! The D300 is $500 more than the 40D, whereas the 1DMKIII is $2700 more!!!!! what are you doing comparing those two cameras?

I'm not trying to start a flame war, infact I love canon cameras. I spend the majority of my time here and think it is the best photograpy forum on the net.

Bosscat wrote in post #3893731
Believe the hype.

I don't care either way if they release one or not. I was just answering the OP with what I've heard on a photography podcast.

Do you want to buy a Toyota or a Lexus?

They are in a different league.

The D3 has a 36 x 23.9mm imaging sensor; the 5D has a 35.8 x 23.9mm imaging sensor. How does this make the 5D a true FF camera and the D3 not??

The D Mark III has the Rebel sensor in it. Get real, Canon took a great camera and turned it into an overpriced toy. Just as they won't acknowledge and fix the electronic problems in their printers they won't fix the focus problems.