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Sep 10, 2007 21:41 as a reply to  @ post 3904098 |  #46

The D200 battery sucks, so why didn't they switch?
Actually, the D200 battery does just fine for JPEG images on a D200, it's only when shooting NEF that performance drops. But Nikon says that battery life has been substantially improved on the D300, perhaps as much as double (after all, a CMOS sensor should be lower power than a CCD). But if that doesn't cut it for you, try this: get the MB-D10 grip and use the battery from the D2/D3 series, which has much more capacity. The more curious thing that isn't being discussed is why the switch from the EH-6 AC Adapter to the EH-5 or EH-5a? That seems like a decision that flies in the face of all the other good decisions Nikon made about compatibility.

This made me laugh so hard. Also, wtf? No ISO 100? Why? Just why?


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Sep 10, 2007 21:45 |  #47

I tried the D200's and found them wanting in the file dept. This however, looks to be set for better iso than the 4od. So, I will be getting one (at least) to try for a while. Why not?


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Sep 10, 2007 21:49 |  #48

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Personally, as droolworthy as the D300 looks on paper... I just don't like the look/feel of Nikons..

I held a Nikon, and I really didn't like the feel of it at all. Even the XT felt better in my hands. Fot this reason and the fact that I can never part with Canon lens, I will stay loyal to Canon.


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Sep 10, 2007 21:59 |  #49

Why not 100iso? Well there have been some tests of the 30d that show its noise levels and DR are best at 160iso and not 100 as you might think. Not a huge issue if you understand why this works this way. As you progress through the iso range evey stop from there is lower in noise and higher in DR than the 2/3ds stop point below. I.e. 320iso is better than 200 and 640 better than 400. Odd but there it is...


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Sep 10, 2007 22:18 |  #50

davidwegs wrote in post #3904301 (external link)
Why not 100iso? Well there have been some tests of the 30d that show its noise levels and DR are best at 160iso and not 100 as you might think. Not a huge issue if you understand why this works this way. As you progress through the iso range evey stop from there is lower in noise and higher in DR than the 2/3ds stop point below. I.e. 320iso is better than 200 and 640 better than 400. Odd but there it is...

i am a bit confused right now and i admit that what you just said is teh exact opposite of everything that i read. from what i know, the full stops are cleaner than the 1/3 stops because the 1/3 stops are all done via software which is like pushing/pulling exposure by 1/3 stop.




  
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Sep 10, 2007 22:25 |  #51

davidwegs wrote in post #3904301 (external link)
Why not 100iso? Well there have been some tests of the 30d that show its noise levels and DR are best at 160iso and not 100 as you might think. Not a huge issue if you understand why this works this way. As you progress through the iso range evey stop from there is lower in noise and higher in DR than the 2/3ds stop point below. I.e. 320iso is better than 200 and 640 better than 400. Odd but there it is...

No, when you go up in ISO, you get more noise and lower dynamic range. In the Canon lineup, the only ISO where that's different is ISO 50: which contrary to normal film ISO principles, actually has less DR then ISO 100. 100 has better noise and DR then 200, 400, and 640...at least on Canons. Nikons with native ISO 200 obviously not.


I've read some threads where people do pixel peep and like to debate if 1/3rds stops have better performance then 2/3rds stops.....but you are the first person I've read who claims that a higher ISO is better then the full stop below.:eek:

On the 1D mkII, the DR of ISO 100 is 3190 and S/N is 230. The DR of ISO 200 is 2960 and S/N is 163. Those are full stops....DR is greater and noise is less at ISO 100

http://www.clarkvision​.com/imagedetail/evalu​ation-1d2/ (external link)


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Sep 10, 2007 22:26 |  #52

here is a good read about 1/3 stop vs. 1 stop in noise:

http://luminous-landscape.com …ion/index.php/t​12072.html (external link)




  
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Sep 11, 2007 14:15 |  #53

davidwegs wrote in post #3904301 (external link)
Why not 100iso? Well there have been some tests of the 30d that show its noise levels and DR are best at 160iso and not 100 as you might think. Not a huge issue if you understand why this works this way. As you progress through the iso range evey stop from there is lower in noise and higher in DR than the 2/3ds stop point below. I.e. 320iso is better than 200 and 640 better than 400. Odd but there it is...

Yes... here's the link

http://forums.dpreview​.com …19&thread=19721​647&page=1 (external link)

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i am a bit confused right now and i admit that what you just said is teh exact opposite of everything that i read. from what i know, the full stops are cleaner than the 1/3 stops because the 1/3 stops are all done via software which is like pushing/pulling exposure by 1/3 stop.

No, see above ;)

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No, when you go up in ISO, you get more noise and lower dynamic range. In the Canon lineup, the only ISO where that's different is ISO 50: which contrary to normal film ISO principles, actually has less DR then ISO 100. 100 has better noise and DR then 200, 400, and 640...at least on Canons. Nikons with native ISO 200 obviously not.


I've read some threads where people do pixel peep and like to debate if 1/3rds stops have better performance then 2/3rds stops.....but you are the first person I've read who claims that a higher ISO is better then the full stop below.:eek:

On the 1D mkII, the DR of ISO 100 is 3190 and S/N is 230. The DR of ISO 200 is 2960 and S/N is 163. Those are full stops....DR is greater and noise is less at ISO 100

http://www.clarkvision​.com/imagedetail/evalu​ation-1d2/ (external link)



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