Why do i feel this way!! HELP ME CANON!

I think you would love it. I know people that make their living off photographs taken with your very camera. Granted they don't live in beverly hills but I've seen their pictures and they are quite good.

Mediation wrote in post #3910816
ah ha yes i see. How about i save up enough money to get this lens here instead of a new body.
Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM Autofocus Lens

That is truly an awesome lens by all accounts, and I'd bet the images you'd get with it would be astonishing.

The only question is how much you'd use that focal length range. If you buy from some place with, say, a 14-day no-questions-asked return policy then you can test it out for that period of time to see how you like that focal length range.

If you already tend to shoot towards the telephoto end anyway then there's a reasonable chance that you'd use it a lot. But only you can know that.

Either way, that lens is among the best in image quality from what I gather. I'll let others with real experience with that lens speak up about it but I suspect you'll love it.

ah ha suppose i make a sacrifice and sell my ipod to fund for this lens as well. Hmmm i have got some decision to make. Gosh im glad i came onto these forums. Glad i didnt go nikon. hmm waiting on your thoughts people.

Sorry but i have hit a mind blank. Huge newbie question coming, be warned.

If it F4. Does that mean i have to get close to the subject. Also does that mean i lower DOF...

I think you would love it. I know people that make their living off photographs taken with your very camera. Granted they don't live in beverly hills but I've seen their pictures and they are quite good.

yay . Would this serve as a good walk around lens as well. hehe im scared that i would get beaten up and have this lens stolen off me though. hehe.

Im definitely going to sell my ipod to fund for this now.

Update: i have put my ipod up for sale on our local buy sell and trade website called trademe here in NZ. Gosh its sad to make sacrifices. But i want this lens pronto fast!

Mediation wrote in post #3911063
yay . Would this serve as a good walk around lens as well. hehe im scared that i would get beaten up and have this lens stolen off me though. hehe.

Im definitely going to sell my ipod to fund for this now.

Update: i have put my ipod up for sale on our local buy sell and trade website called trademe here in NZ. Gosh its sad to make sacrifices. But i want this lens pronto fast!

if you really wanted to, go to Progear or Auckland Camera and ask if you can test the lens out. I am sure they will enable you too

they can also give you a good price on it too.

Mediation wrote in post #3910907
ah ha suppose i make a sacrifice and sell my ipod to fund for this lens as well. Hmmm i have got some decision to make. Gosh im glad i came onto these forums. Glad i didnt go nikon. hmm waiting on your thoughts people.

Sorry but i have hit a mind blank. Huge newbie question coming, be warned.

If it F4. Does that mean i have to get close to the subject. Also does that mean i lower DOF...

F/4 just refers to the maximum size of the aperture on the lens. In this case, the maximum size of the aperture is f/4 and is the same throughout the zoom range.

Depth of field is a function of two things: distance from the subject, and aperture. f/4 is a reasonably wide aperture, though not amazingly so. It's one stop more narrow than the widest aperture you'll typically find on a zoom lens: f/2.8. The wider the aperture (the lower the f-number), the narrower the depth of field. The closer you are to the subject, the narrower the depth of field at a given aperture setting.

Your Sigma has, at its telephoto end, a maximum aperture of f/4.5. That's pretty close to the f/4 of the 70-200 you're considering. If you want to get an idea of roughly what the depth of field will look like at f/4, you can put your sigma at 70mm and f/4.5 (wide open) and start shooting pics of objects at various distances. The 70-200's DOF will be a little narrower than that when wide open.

The focal length is what determines how close you have to get to the subject in order to fill the frame. The 70-200 is quite a bit longer than your 17-70, so when you've got the frame filled at 70mm on your 17-70, you'll also have the frame filled at the same distance with your 70-200 when it's at 70mm. Beyond 70mm on your 70-200, you'll more than fill the frame when at the same distance from the same subject. End result: you can be significantly further away from the subject at 200mm and still fill the frame, and with the 70-200 f/4L, you'll be able to use the same aperture setting at 200mm that you used at 70mm.

Anyway, I hope you don't feel insulted if I'm telling you things you already know, because that is surely not my intention!

kcbrown wrote in post #3911403
F/4 just refers to the maximum size of the aperture on the lens. In this case, the maximum size of the aperture is f/4 and is the same throughout the zoom range.

Depth of field is a function of two things: distance from the subject, and aperture. f/4 is a reasonably wide aperture, though not amazingly so. It's one stop more narrow than the widest aperture you'll typically find on a zoom lens: f/2.8. The wider the aperture (the lower the f-number), the narrower the depth of field. The closer you are to the subject, the narrower the depth of field at a given aperture setting.

Your Sigma has, at its telephoto end, a maximum aperture of f/4.5. That's pretty close to the f/4 of the 70-200 you're considering. If you want to get an idea of roughly what the depth of field will look like at f/4, you can put your sigma at 70mm and f/4.5 (wide open) and start shooting pics of objects at various distances. The 70-200's DOF will be a little narrower than that when wide open.

The focal length is what determines how close you have to get to the subject in order to fill the frame. The 70-200 is quite a bit longer than your 17-70, so when you've got the frame filled at 70mm on your 17-70, you'll also have the frame filled at the same distance with your 70-200 when it's at 70mm. Beyond 70mm on your 70-200, you'll more than fill the frame when at the same distance from the same subject. End result: you can be significantly further away from the subject at 200mm and still fill the frame, and with the 70-200 f/4L, you'll be able to use the same aperture setting at 200mm that you used at 70mm.

Anyway, I hope you don't feel insulted if I'm telling you things you already know, because that is surely not my intention!

haha insulted! of course not. It cleared a lot of confusion for me. Man i am shocking at decisions. This thread started off with me ranting on about wanting to get a D40x. Then towards a glass vs body rant. Then another walk around lens. And now finally this.

I cant believe no one has flamed me and people have actually put up with me haha. Ah well come 7th of October i will make the order from the states and get it sent to me in NZ. USA warranty = internationally recognized .

Ill post a thread up in a month when i have this lens. Yay

What ever you do just don't buy d40(x) crap! If you have this URGE to go Nikon at least go for D50 / D70(s) / D100.

Mediation wrote in post #3911487
USA warranty = internationally recognized .

Any Canon manufacturer's warranty on their current lenses are internationally recognised, irrespective of what locale the card specifies. My grey EF/-S lenses imported straight from Japan will be valid for the duration of the warranty, even though I'm currently based in Sydney. That's why I'm perfectly fine with grey Canon lens goods. Bodies are different, though. You'll often have to rely on the retailer for that one.

Mediation wrote in post #3911487
I cant believe no one has flamed me and people have actually put up with me haha.

Well, that's because we just LOVE spending other people's money.

Ah well come 7th of October i will make the order from the states and get it sent to me in NZ. USA warranty = internationally recognized .

Ill post a thread up in a month when i have this lens. Yay

Looking forward to it! Should be very cool to see what you can do with a high-quality telephoto lens, seeing how your gallery already has some very nice shots.

kcbrown wrote in post #3911695
Well, that's because we just LOVE spending other people's money.

that's this forums favourite past time, spending other peoples cash.

theflyingkiwi wrote in post #3911879
that's this forums favourite past time, spending other peoples cash.

I love spending other peoples cash. Why just this week, I get to spend 140k, nothing exciting though. RF analizer and an e-net sniffer.